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Doug
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Initially Posted - 01/27/2004 : 22:26:42

I'm looking at a new Yamaha. Looks like they only have electric start- no recoil line to pull. Anyone use one of these? Any way to start it with a dead battery?

Doug - #1913 Noeta

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/27/2004 : 22:39:43

If it's like other 4 stroke Yamaha's I've seen an emergency pull start system is located under the engine cover.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/28/2004 : 09:30:03

When I looked at the Yamaha high-thrust 8 about three years ago, you had to remove the cowl and then unbolt a cover over the flywheel (3-4 bolts) to be able to wrap a rope around it. That was the show-stopper for me.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 01/28/2004 09:30:59

Gary B.
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Response Posted - 01/28/2004 : 11:46:08

I have a 2000 model Yamaha 9.9 high thrust electric start and I LOVE it! I cannot speak to the 8 hp that Dave mentions, but I would be AMAZED if Yamaha was so silly as to change the system on the 9.9. It is a SNAP.

Take off the cowling, slide out one L shaped pin (no tools), then unscrew a thumbscrew on the top of the flywheel housing (again, no tools), throw the (supplied) starter rope around the flywheel, give a pull and VIOLA! you are running.

A couple of times in the past couple of years, the teeth have jammed between the starter motor and the flywheel and I have grabbed my handy screwdriver and dislodged the problem and continued on. I am pretty sure I am less than 60 seconds from problem to "running". No biggie once you have done it once.

That Yamaha is SO strong....I'll still have a pulling contest with anything else out there under 20 hp. Takers????

Gary B.
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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 01/28/2004 : 12:43:49

Doug,

I have a 1992 or so Yamaha 4-stroke 9.9 extra long shaft high thrust electric start. My emergency rope start works just as Gary B. described. The previous owner of my boat and motor used the rope start every time he went sailing. (He didn't undertand how to keep a battery alive.)

Having said that, I have a group-24 deepcycle/cranking dual use battery dedicated to the motor, and so have never had to rope start since the day I bought the boat. A much smaller cranking battery would work fine too. Maybe one from an electric start lawn tractor or motorcycle. I use a battery combiner, so after the engine starts, the alternator recharges the cranking battery first, and then automatically starts charging the house bank.

As Gary B. also mentioned, the prop thrust of these engines has to be experienced to be believed.

-- Leon Sisson

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OJ
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Response Posted - 01/28/2004 : 15:26:20

Long story short . . . I removed the flywheel cover, never replaced it and haven't missed it . . .

I've never been on a Catalina 25 that had a Honda so I can't compare it to the Yamaha - but (other other than the weight) the Yamaha is a great motor for this boat.

Edited by - OJ on 01/28/2004 15:29:57

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 20:47:38

For the record

, when I was looking at them, the Yamaha High-Thrust 8 was a fairly new engine, completely different and quite a bit heavier than the 4-stroke 9.9, which did not come in a high-thrust configuration at that time. But when I asked about emergency starting, the salesman and I took the cowl off, and the only way to go any further was with a wrench. If other models and vintages are different, that's good--the Yammie is a nice engine. But I like the pull starter on the front of my Honda, even though I haven't used it even once. I also like the longer shaft and the stronger alternator. (End of commercial.

) As for a tractor pull, I think it'd be a pretty good contest! As I said in the earlier post, both are more than the C-25 needs.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 01/29/2004 20:49:44

Ellis Bloomfield
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Response Posted - 01/31/2004 : 17:37:08

Leon,
I use a small garden tractor battery on my Johnson 9.9 and keep it in the side rack in the port locker. At $11.00 for the battery I consider it a disposable, but it has worked for a couple of seasons. I don't motor enough to be concerned about charging my main batteries from the loop.
Ellis

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