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Bruce Baker
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Initially Posted - 04/21/2004 :  13:52:18  Show Profile
I race my boat in light air conditions on the Potomac River. One of the boats in the fleet is another C-25 (standard keel). "Rebecca" has an oversized genoa made out of spinnaker material, which affords her a considerable advantage in light air. I haven't measured it, but it looks like it might be 170.

Questions:
1. Is this legal?
2. Is there a PHRF penalty for the extra sail area?
3. Where can I get such a sail?

Thanks. Our first "tune-up" race is Saturday and the first real race is Tuesday. Can't wait to get back on the water!
Bruce Baker
Falls Church, VA
"Yee Ha" 3573
'83SR/SK
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/21/2004 :  15:38:26  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
The sail is a drifter or gennaker.

Here's the rules from our racing page (available on this web site under Racing)

SAILS
1.
Sails allowed:
Spinnaker class: (6 sail limit)
1 Mainsail
3 Headsails (max 155%)
2 Spinnakers
Non-Spinnaker class: (4 sail limit)
1 Mainsail
3 Headsails (max 155%)

In any one regatta the same sails must be used to fill the requirements of this section, unless there are extenuating circumstances, in which case the measuring official may waive this requirement.
a. Spinnaker sails are authorized and may be used in the National Championship Regatta and all sanctioned Regattas as a separate spinnaker class. Only two measured spinnakers may be used in the same regatta.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 04/21/2004 :  16:04:58  Show Profile
Bruce - if you are racing "One Design" under our Class Rules, then his 170 is illegal.
If racing PHRF then he should take at least a 6 second penalty for a sail larger than 155%. Check with your Race Committee and ask for their protocol.
This raises an interesting point - from the Class Rules you race either Spinnaker or Non-Spinnaker. If you call your 170 (or 185) an asymetric spinnaker (as most racers do), should you be in the Spinnaker fleet???? Under Class Rules you can't use more than a 155% in the Non-Spin fleet.
Derek
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 04/21/2004 :  16:11:08  Show Profile
The National Association rules control races that are sponsored by the national association, but local sailing clubs usually make up their own rules for the <u>scoring</u> of local handicap racing. At times, in past years, our club has given different handicap ratings for a 110, a 150 and a spinnaker, and you were scored on the basis of the sail you actually used. At other times they gave one handicap rating for a given class of boat, and you could fly any sail you wished.

Ask the race committee how they score "Rebecca's" big headsail, and if they score it the same as your boat, ask if that's fair.
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