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Oscar
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Initially Posted - 04/28/2004 : 18:31:26

(no change....just keeping it "up top"...

Today I was wired some BU's.....tomorrow they will come and pick up Betsy.

....

Betsy is my other (four wheeled) toy, a 52 year old Rolls Royce, which has been a conversation piece and the most fun you can have with the family in one car for six years. However, the Admiral has declared "I want to be able to stand up, and I want cabins for the kids." (boy/girl) It has become painfully obvious that Betsy ties up more space and BU's than the occasional ride justifies. And, I happen to agree with the Admiral. Plus, I want to sail further on bigger waves. So Betsy is going, as well as the 24' enclosed trailer.

That also means that I hereby announce, with very mixed emotions, that Lady Kay II is for sale. Before the glam shot/color brochure/web site/all out marketing campaign starts I'd like to give the folks on this forum a heads up. There is nothing about the boat you don't already know, and if you like what you know, or know someone who you think would like to know what you know, please e-mail me directly.

If I can cook the books enough there is a distinct possibility I will remain a Catalina owner. ('89 or '90 C42) Otherwise we'll be looking at slightly more affordable Beneteau's....(NO HUNTER"S REPEAT--NO HUNTER"S) The searching process will now progress from The Admiral and I drooling in front of the computer, after the kids are in bed, to physically touching larger (older) boats.

No matter what happens, I have really enjoyed owning the 250 and being a part of this forum. You have all been very helpfull, and a lot of fun to virtually hang out with. If there is a future 250 function in the area I might just crash the party, and you can definitely count on me popping up here on this forum once in a while.....as myself or as....hmmmmm

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay on the Chesapeake

Lady Kay IV, Dragonfly 25 # 54 Former C30#618-C250WB#618-C42#76

Edited by - Oscar on 05/04/2004 18:19:10

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 19:42:36

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 20:06:37

Hey Oscar,
I know some former Arthur Anderson folks who can help you cook those books. They have lots of experience.

I'm really excited for you to be able to buy a 42.

When I was in the Keys someone who was living aboard a 45 told me that once you get over about a 36 or 38 in the Keys it gets hard to find a slip. I'm sure that you have considered that. Where do you plan on sailing your future 42?

But won't you miss going out for ice cream in your Rolls?

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 20:23:06

Chesapeake, Florida, Bahamas, Cape Cod, Maine, Bermuda, Amsterdam..........It's one step at a time, but I know where I'm going......

Yes, we'll miss Betsy. (BTW, you haven't lived untill you take a right hand drive car and wait for the right moment at the bank and then pull into the drive through.....the other way...

)

Oscar
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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 21:58:30

when you see one you like on boats.com let us know so we can look at her too. Do 42's come in wing or fin? It sounds like you need a fin.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 22:15:30

Most 42's come in wing, 4'10" draft. There's one fin 6' out there right now....I'm still not sure if I have to have one or the other. Fins sail better, and if you hit the bottom the rudder is still well clear, and there's a chance you'll get off, but there's a lot of thin water out there.....

Wings have a larger cruising ground, but when you find the bottom the square yard plus on the bottom of the wing are a lot of surface holding on to the muck, and the rudder is only inches above, so with an outgoing tide could get banged up......

Go to http://www.yachtworld.com and fill in the blanks.

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay on the Chesapeake

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 22:35:24

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar... !!! Oh well, congratulations and all the best. Just remember, when push comes to shove with a Ben-i-tow, there's no Frank Butler you can call up and bitch at.

You're moving up--for all the right reasons, and I may be moving down for some other reasons--haven't yet decided.

Fair winds and ample standing headroom,

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/28/2004 22:38:48

reuben
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 08:24:39

Oscar - I hate to see you go, since your experience, advice, and color commentary were all part of the mysterious package that helped me go from curious forum lurker to 250 owner. But it's also exciting to watch someone move up - so do us all the favor of keeping us up to date as you find, outfit, & cruise your 42.

Fair Winds,

Reuben

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 11:22:46

Oscar, I realize that you're not going today and look forwar to your future contributions. It's been great getting to know you and wish you all the best for the future.

Like Dave, my directional change would be down sizing, if I could find the right boat, but that's me and with a shriunk family larger isn't practicle for us. But for you it sounds like a good move!

Peace and blessings!

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 12:20:47

growing and shrinking families do cause change.

I add my sentiment of enjoyment at the opportunity to rub virtual sholders with your sailing interest. Someone stands to benefit from a well cared for and upgraded 250. Good luck in your search for what works good for your family.

Every departure is missed... and over time, we will know if your missed more or less than the average

.

Seriously, its been my good fortune to know you a bit... maybe someday it will include shaking your hand.

All the best...

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 13:16:56

Im not dead (read boat sold) yet....

plus, I'm so close to graduation, so I will stick around for a while....we got to have a virtual party for that one...

Betsy just left......

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay in Venice Inlet, Florida USA.

Edited by - Oscar on 04/29/2004 13:19:46

JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 13:57:46

Oscar - there should be no mixed emotions about it. If I came home from work one day and Spike said "Honey, we need a C42" it would be the happiest day of my life!!!!!

Do check out a C350, I love them. No separate cabins for the kids, though.

Edited by - JimB517 on 04/29/2004 13:58:12

Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 14:45:01

[quoteNo separate cabins for the kids, though[/quote]

Amiral: "Not just no, heck no, NO."

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay in Venice Inlet, Florida USA.

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HGraham
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 15:23:06

Oscar;
We chartered a Benetau Moorings 38 in the BVI, and that had a nice layout with two aft cabins, V-berth, and two full heads. Also, it had on-board refrigeration, which was nice. The hull had been awlgripped in dark blue which gave the boat a distinctive look.

Good luck in the hunt.

Harry

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 16:02:52

Oscar,

I, too, would like to move up to a bigger boat and I'm always looking, but a 42 might be more boat than I can effectively singlehand.

Where in Bethlehem, PA does one sail a C42?

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 18:00:50

Harry, we chartered a B-380 out of Deltaville two years ago. It is indeed a fine sailing vessel

Don, I am two hours (100 or so miles) from the Northern end of the Chesapeake. In fall I plan on a nice run south so we can go to the boat during the winter and early spring vacations, and then in Spring, swoosh, back North. The "ferry runs" would be the guys, or solo.

As far as soloing a bigger boat, other than docking it's a matter of setup...autopilot, lines aft, lazy jacks. I basically soloed the B-38. No sweat. Only when docking does one hold untill an innocent bystander walks by and offers to catch a line.....

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay in Venice Inlet, Florida USA.

Edited by - Oscar on 04/29/2004 18:04:17

OJ
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 20:40:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Oscar
 . . . Bermuda, Amsterdam . . .
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The larger Catalinas are blue water rated? You learn something new everyday on this forum I guess.

Oscar, let me know if you ever need crew for a trans-Atlantic.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 23:37:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">blue water rated<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

That depends on who you ask......Frank says yes, but has never done it.....Gerry Douglas sails one......not sure if he would, I plan on asking him. Would I take a 42 'cross the pond? Maybe, I would make that decision after I get to know her very well. The next boat is not necessarily the one for the big voyage. There are still lots of learning steps to be made, and those a 42 would do nicely. (I would take it to Bermuda). That is definitely a weather window I can feel comfortable with.

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay in Venice Inlet, Florida USA.

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 04/30/2004 : 14:15:56

Oscar,

We moved up from our C25 (#2459 - 1981 FKSR) in 1998. I still have the C25 stoop!

Re: Ben-i-tow's - before you buy, please look very carefully at two things:

1. How easy is it to check the oil in the engine?

2. How easy is it to find and work on distribution issues (i.e., hoses and wiring)?

We have bareboated three B's over the years (two 35s and a 510) and I have struggled with the perverse logic they use that requires you to rip the entire aft cabin apart to get to the dipstick! In addition, I have found that everything that goes from one place to another is immediately HIDDEN behind panels that need four or more screws to remove.

Sure the boats sail OK, but working on them, as you are BOUND to have to do, given your plans, could dive you batty very quickly. Friends with C42s love 'em because they can work on them. We have found the same with our C34 (1986), very easy on the maintenance side. Even the newer C34s are less user-friendly.

All the best, and fair winds,

Stu

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seastream
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Response Posted - 04/30/2004 : 21:32:39

Beneteaus are more affordable than Catalinas? New or used?

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seastream
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Response Posted - 05/01/2004 : 22:34:36

My wife and I would eventually like 6 foot cabin headroom as well and figured we'd also want more room such as can be found in a 30+ foot boat since we want to do much cruising in our later years (both early 40's now). I told her we'd have to wait another 10 years or so, given the $100K cost of a new Catalina 32 or such. On the other hand, there's used. Anyone care to venture thoughts on the debacle of buying new vs used and how old if considering used?

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/02/2004 : 00:48:54

I think there are a lot of really nice boats on the market... many fully equipped and in excellent condition.

IMHO, if you find the right one, it's probably better than buying new as somebody else has figured out/fixed/added all the stuff that's not quite 'there' on a factory boat. A lot of these boats come on the market from folks 'swallowing the hook' and ending their cruising days, either due to age, health issues, changing life priorities, etc.

Many of the cruising boats I've been on have been absolutely bristol... and I'd have no qualms about buying one in such condition at all.

Of course, getting a full-on survey with a bigger boat is absolutely critical... more systems to go wrong than the C25... and the repairs$ are a lot more expen$ive.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/04/2004 : 15:01:45

Okay Oscar, I give up...what did you change in your original post?

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Dkn420
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Response Posted - 05/04/2004 : 16:22:04

Don: Could this be the edit... (NO HUNTER"S REPEAT--NO HUNTER"S)

Dan #727

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/04/2004 : 16:34:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dkn420
 Don: Could this be the edit... (NO HUNTER"S REPEAT--NO HUNTER"S)

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I think that was already there!?

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Response Posted - 05/04/2004 : 18:34:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Oscar
 (no change....just keeping it "up top"...

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Perhaps not, but seems to me it suddenly reads much more fluidly; or perhaps fluently.

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