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JDK91852
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Initially Posted - 06/25/2004 : 19:46:11

I just bought a catalina 25 1987 wing keel and am not sure if it is a tall rig or not. I am new here so glad to meet everyone. I have owned a catalina 22 for about 10 years and really love sailing.thanks for any help.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 06/25/2004 : 20:16:46

Do you have a split backstay? If so, it's probably a tall rig. The TR mast is 31 feet high, the SR 29'.

Brooke

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JDK91852
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Response Posted - 06/25/2004 : 20:43:21

Thanks Brooks, I do have the split backstay. I steped the mast for the first time and noticed that the boom seems a little low. I would like to purchase a bimini top but looks like this may be a tight fit.
thanks for your help. John

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 06/25/2004 : 21:02:58

Low boom = tall rig, ironically. Look at my post about how I put a bimini on my tall rig: http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6903

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JDK91852
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Response Posted - 06/25/2004 : 21:18:57

Brooke, your bimini looks good. I guess it's more trouble to mount on the tall rig. So should i be happy or sad that mine is a tall rig.

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Response Posted - 06/25/2004 : 21:48:05

Sorry Brooke, tall rig is 30 feet, standard is 28 feet. Split backstay was offered for both rigs. I found out the hard way that Buzz was a tall rig a few years ago when I ordered a new masthead and it wouldn't fit. The tall rig is slightly wider and heavier. You can tape the end of a tape measure to one of your halyards and hoist it to the masthead to measure.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/25/2004 : 22:29:26

A bimini will fit on a tall rig the same as it will on a standard rig if you have your sailmaker install a grommet for a flattening reef one foot above the mainsail's clew. When you pull the flattening reef grommet down to the boom, it raises the boom one foot, and provides enough room to clear the bimini.

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 06/26/2004 : 00:50:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JDK91852
 Brooke, your bimini looks good. I guess it's more trouble to mount on the tall rig. So should i be happy or sad that mine is a tall rig.
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You should be overjoyed.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 06/26/2004 : 07:27:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Sorry Brooke, tall rig is 30 feet, standard is 28 feet. Split backstay was offered for both rigs.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

With respect, Ray, that's not what this website says: http://www.catalina25-250.org/tech/c25spec.html

Yes, it was possible to get a split backstay with both rigs, and some people with single backstays converted. However, all generalizations being false, if you have a C25 with a split backstay it's a very good bet you have a tall rig, especially if the boom threatens to decapitate you on every tack and gybe.

JDK, be thankful you have a wonderful boat. Buyer's remorse is a typical phenomenon. I am convinced the best boat (or car, or wife, or house, etc.) is the one you have.

Brooke

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rclift
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Response Posted - 06/26/2004 : 11:40:49

Brooke, you are referring to the I measurement. Since our masts are perched on top of the cabin the mast height is less. Just measured and my tall rig mast is right at 30 feet.

I=Height of fore triangle. Measured from deck sheer line abeam the mast to highest point of sail attachment.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 06/26/2004 : 21:41:48

Gee, and all these years I thought I was so much bigger. What a blow to the ego.

Brooke

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 06/27/2004 : 12:54:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rclift
 I found out the hard way that Buzz was a tall rig a few years ago when I ordered a new masthead and it wouldn't fit. The tall rig is slightly wider and heavier.
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I read somewhere that the Catalina 25 Tall Rig mast is actually the same spar, with the same part number, that was the Standard Rig mast on the Catalina 27. My new boat is a Tall Rig 25, and comparing the cross-section to the mast on my old boat, C-25 #1205 (a Standard Rig), the TR mast is 1/2" wider and seems to be slightly heavier wall thickness. It is noticeably more strenuous to do the mast raising.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/27/2004 : 20:48:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I read somewhere that the Catalina 25 Tall Rig mast is actually the same spar, with the same part number, that was the Standard Rig mast on the Catalina 27.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The last time this subject was discussed, I checked both older and newer Catalina 27 standard and tall rigs at my docks, and their masts are all clearly bigger than the mast on my tall rig C25. The C27 is a much heavier, beefier boat than the C25, and Catalina used masts on the C27 that were proportionately more robust.

As I recall, the last time we discussed this, either Bill Holcomb or some other knowledgeable person said that the C25 mast (I don't remember whether it was the tall or standard mast) is made from the same extrusion as the boom on the C30. I hope he'll either verify or correct me, so I don't start a new line of misinformation.

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