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lancej
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Initially Posted - 07/02/2004 : 06:21:09

Hi everyone, so, i'm in the process of routing all line aft (been asking questions about this regularly here) and wondering what everyone does about the van line. I was using the standard setup with two fiddle blocks, one with a becket and a cam at the mast base. The problem here was that to release the cam required either going foreward or rodeo cowboy abilities to snap the line from the cam. I have reversed this, becket fiddle is now at the boom , and removed cam, line leads along the bottom of the boom via a fairlead. What to do next is the question. I was thinking a standup block with a spring to turn line back down to mast base, to another block, then back to cam or clutch.... Or do I put one or those hinged blocks on the mast, then down... Or....

I guess I am just wondering what everyone else is doing.

As always, thank you!

Lance
85 FK/SR
"Bernoulli's Ride"
Buffalo, NY

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/02/2004 : 09:33:18

Put the vang back in it's orginal position (tail of line at the bottom end)... then simply lead the line to a 'deck organizer' (collection of sheaves mounted to deck)... which turns it 90 degrees aft to a clutch or cleat at the aft edge of the cabintop.

Works for me.

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lancej
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Response Posted - 07/02/2004 : 10:26:47

that sounds like the simplest soulution, which translates to good, but doesn't vang pressure change as the boom changes point of sail and introduces twisting forces on the lower fiddle block?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/02/2004 : 14:20:35

My vang is connected to a centered hole on my halyard plate, it does not have any issues with the boom moving. I lead mine back to a clam cleat (they take less room) on the cabin top because I consider it a trimming line and clutches make trimming a hassle.

edit, that was last week.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 07/18/2004 16:43:44

ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/02/2004 : 17:43:33

"changes point of sail and introduces twisting forces on the lower fiddle block?"

Haven't noticed any appreciable changes... I'm usually sheeted in pretty good when I have the vang 'on' anyway.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 07/02/2004 : 19:17:56

I use a 6:1 or 7:1 vang with 1/4" line, tail lead back through deck organizer to a small camcleat in the usual aft controls area on the cabin top between the handrail and pop-top. All ball bearing harware.

-- Leon Sisson

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/04/2004 : 22:12:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lancej
 that sounds like the simplest soulution, which translates to good, but doesn't vang pressure change as the boom changes point of sail and introduces twisting forces on the lower fiddle block?
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Assuming the fiddle block can swivel, it the tension won't change appreciably. The position of the block feeding the line to the deck organizer is essentially fixed--regardless of the point of sail. I say lead it back as Leon describes--the boom is rarely within reach from the cockpit, especially off the wind when the vang has the most effect.

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chewitt
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Response Posted - 07/15/2004 : 17:30:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 My vang is connected to a centered hole on my halyard plate, it does not have any issues with the boom moving. I lead mine back to a clam cleat (they take less room) on the cabin top because I consider it a trimming line and clutches make trimming a hassle.

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chewitt
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Response Posted - 07/15/2004 : 17:33:41

Read your comments about leading your vang aft. I would be interested in hearing how you have run all of your halyards/controls aft. The picture you posted was very helpful. Do you have any other pictures of your setup. Thanks.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 07/15/2004 : 17:54:56

Typically, my vang is backwards: I found that by putting the cleat at the boom end of the vang, all I have to do is reach forward and grab the line. Even when the boom is far outboard on a run, the vang is still over the coachroof. Seems to me as though that's the simplest solution of all -- no need to run through blocks, organizer, or clutch.

I also have a snap shackle on the lower (mast) end of the vang, so on a run I can detach the shackle, attach it to the base of a stanchion, and use the vang as a gybe preventer.

Brooke

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/18/2004 : 15:56:32

Chewitt;
I have had my boat less than a year and am in a constant state of refinement, (as opposed to admitting my mistakes) So here goes; an explanation of my running rigging and control lines:
http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum62.html

Port side from cabin top to mast:
Spare headsail halyard at outside clutch, bottom outside organizer, forward turning block on port side of halyard plate.
Primary headsail halyard at middle clutch, top outside organizer, mid turning block on port side of halyard plate.
Main outhaul at inside clutch, top inside organizer, center turning block on aft side of halyard plate.
Topping lift at clam cleat, bottom inside organizer, forward turning block on port side of halyard plate.

Starboard from cabin top to mast:
Main halyard at outside clutch, bottom outside organizer, starboard turning block on forward side of halyard plate.
Forward reef line at middle clutch, top outside organizer, forward turning block on starboard side of halyard plate.
Aft reef line at inside clutch, bottom inside organizer, aft turning block on starboard side of halyard plate.
Cunningham line at clam cleat, top inside organizer, mid turning block on starboard side of halyard plate.
Vang not led back per se but pulls on directly and pulls off if lead outside starboard winch.
Mainsail downhaul led back through stanchion supports to a cam cleat aft of the starboard primary winch

Study the backstay adjuster and traveler control pictures.
I am not happy with my metal clams on my primary sheets. They do not release well with the soft sheets I use. I am ordering cams to add next to the clams for easier single handling.

As the technical editor for our Association 25s I am very glad to hear of better or different ways to do things.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 07/18/2004 16:42:25

chewitt
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Response Posted - 07/21/2004 : 13:31:30

Frank. Thanks so much for your detailed reply including the pictures. I will have a careful look and probably will have more questions. I just got my boat and I am quite happy with the performance, although it's irritating to have to go back to no lines led aft. Looks like you are enjoying some great sailing. Thanks again. Colin

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