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cmckitrick
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Initially Posted - 07/12/2004 : 08:19:16

Does anyone else get water in the port cockpit locker? I had quite a bit over the winter and I figured it was from rain and snow but now that I'm in the water I find that I keep getting it and I dont think we've had much rain. I'm wondering if its coming from the bilge.

Charlie McKitrick
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tinob
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 09:22:32

I,ve not had the problem, not even when the old swing gave way and fludded the cabin. Having said that two things seem likely culprits for water in the port locker,a)the manual pump cutout in the cockpit is fitted with a gasket to keep water out of the locker and b) the pump output hose on my model passes through the locker and terminates at a transom tru-hull there. As an after thought the manual pump pickup line comes from the bilge and goes to the pump. Might also check where it goes into the locker to see how it is sealed.

All in all my bet goes on the manual pumps mounting in the cockpit.

Val on Calista # 3936

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 09:45:27

"Does anyone else get water in the port cockpit locker? "

Seems like I always have a little... from the ventilation scupper I think. The dumpster is pretty well isolated from the rest of the bilge area. Have you re-bedded the winches and deck hardware in that area?

How much water do you have in there? A few cups? Gallons ?

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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 09:56:24

Ours use to leak. After we replaced the stern light the leak went away!
Jason and Fran
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 09:56:26

If the boat is out of the water during the winter, water may be coming in through deck fittings (cleats, stanchions, winches, genny t-track, etc). Or, perhaps snow is sitting in the cockpit on the locker hatch and melting through to the locker. Scupper drains from the cockpit are also known as potential problem areas.

With the boat in the water, any of the above could also be the problem area....plus, the lower gudgeon is under water much of the time. Loose bolts securing the gudgeon have also been known to allow water into the portside locker.

One method for "tracking" the leak is to use powdered chalk (like carpenters use for chalk lines). Sprinkle some near one fitting. Then poor water around that fitting. Look for chalky water in the portside locker. As soon as you get some, you've found the leak......or at least on of 'em.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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cmckitrick
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 10:42:16

Thanks for the helpful responses. To answer your question, Bruce, over the winter there were many bucket fulls of water. Now in the coarse of a week there was a cup or two.

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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 12:10:51

Here is yet another possibility for your port locker leak. I discovered on my 1982 that the figerblass in the drain edge had a crack in it from obvious thin layers of glass when laid up which allowed a lot of water to drain into locker. I had to go inside and lay up several more layers of glass matt to stabelize the firmness of the drain and no more trouble. Good luck.

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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 12:43:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by George Beck
 Here is yet another possibility for your port locker leak. I discovered on my 1982 that the figerblass in the drain edge had a crack in it from obvious thin layers of glass when laid up which allowed a lot of water to drain into locker. I had to go inside and lay up several more layers of glass matt to stabelize the firmness of the drain and no more trouble. Good luck.
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I am missing something because I have no idea what you are describing.

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 13:25:23

Following up George Beck's post...

Hey Jude is an '82. The cockpit drain is a slot parallel to the transom with a large drain hole at each end, aimed out the stern.

At the ends of the slot cracks developed that allowed seepage. Since the bottom of the slot is lower than the bottom of the drain holes(A bad design Mr. Butler), there was always a little water left in the slot to either evaporate or seep into the bilge through the cracks. Last fall, when I thought the core was thoroughly dry, I used Marine Tex to cover the cracks. Since then, no leaks.

I believe the earlier versions of the design had two drains that went straight down, and no slot.

Jim Williams
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 13:36:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by George Beck
 Here is yet another possibility for your port locker leak. I discovered on my 1982 that the figerblass in the drain edge had a crack in it from obvious thin layers of glass when laid up which allowed a lot of water to drain into locker. I had to go inside and lay up several more layers of glass matt to stabelize the firmness of the drain and no more trouble. Good luck.
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I am missing something because I have no idea what you are describing.
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I think I know what George is describing, because I've got the same problem. There is a crack in the deck right where the coaming meets the deck. On my boat it is just below the shore power plug, and right where water is diverted off the deck over the side ... it is in the "perfect" place to leak water into the port locker.

Until now, I've been trying to stop the leak from the outside ... 'don't know why it never dawned on me to put some fiberglass mat and epoxy on the inside ... that's a great idea!

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atgep
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 22:35:36

There seems to be several areas to look for. I had a leak at the backstay chainplate. it would drip on the shelf in the back of the locker and run down. It is a constant battle to keep the topsides watertight but wll worth the effort. Good luck.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 : 23:21:19

What type of cockpit drains do you have. The ones that exit the back can deteriorate and let water into the area between the inner liner and the hull.

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George Beck
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Response Posted - 07/13/2004 : 14:51:28

Sorry for not explaining this to clearly. The crack I had was in the drain trough of the Port locker lid. Very thin glass there on mine and eventually cracked. Repair from inside by laying up few more layers of matt. Could let a lot of water in over winter if not covered.

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Response Posted - 07/13/2004 : 16:35:33

Another "clalk trick" (first seen on the Trailer Sailor board) is to use a calk stick to draw lines inside the locker, perpendicular to the likely direction of water flow. When the water runs through, it washes away the chalk where it crosses the lines. That can point you to the entry location.

I had some seepage around the edge of the flared brass drain tubes that go through the transom (on later models). A tiny dab of caulk applied with the finger tip cured it--but maybe not forever...

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