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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 07/19/2004 : 00:35:22

Hi, I was up at 6 and left the harbor by 7 today for 8 hours on the water, 39.8 miles sailed, and 3 fish! The highlight of the day was this cool tall ship encounter several miles off Pt. Loma.

Click below to see a few more shots, also a "low ship", my new hard dinghy!

http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/longday.html

Almost done training for the long days that my 3 week cruise is going to have (t minus 2 weeks and counting). Too bad the new dinghy makes the boat way too slow while towing, I'm not going to be able to take it along. Cost me over a knot in boatspeed.

Indiscipline 1978 FK SR #398

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MattL
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Response Posted - 07/19/2004 : 02:47:45

Again, a nice photo op to share. We spent Thursday till today at Huntington Lake, CA for the annual High Sierra regatta. No all you people up there, I saw a bunch of Cat 25/250 but I was the only one in the race.
For those of you that have never been there it is just a little bit of heaven. It doesn't matter how hard the wind blows my wife has a smile from ear to ear when we are there.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/19/2004 : 11:12:18

Where was the ob for the dingy? I assume it would tow better with the OB off and a center board or rudder down for tracking. Get another one and make detachable outriggers!

PS I am TOTALLY ignorant of all things dingy related.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/19/2004 : 13:05:58

The dinghy motor was on my stern rail (big boat). The dinghy used to be some kind of sailing dinghy - I still have the mast. It has a shallow, but full keel. It is fiberglass over foam. It is very heavy, well over 100 lbs. I really like it, it will plane with me in it using my 3.5 HP outboard.

It towed fine, tracked straight, and didn't get wet inside, even while towing in very rough seas. The problem was I could only make 4 to 4.5 knots under power in the big boat. There was a huge load on my tow rope at this speed - I could barely hold onto it by hand. I tried varying the tow rope length between 5 and 35 feet with no noticable difference.

I'm really disapointed - I worked about 100 hours rebuilding the dinghy from hunk of barely floating fiberglass, not to mention spending about $300 (epoxy is expensive!)

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 07/20/2004 : 01:28:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 The highlight of the day was this cool tall ship encounter several miles off Pt. Loma.
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That's the "Official" California State Tall Ship, the S.V. "Californian", a topsail schooner built at Dana Point in the early 1980's, using the original builder's plans for the 1850 U.S. Treasury Department Revenue Cutter "C. A. Lawrence". The "Californian" was built as near as possible as a reproduction of the "C.A. Lawrence", with a few pieces of modern technology required by the Coast Guard for crew safety, like nav instruments, radios, galley equipment, and a 150 hp diesel engine.

The "C.A. Lawrence" is historically important to California as she was one of the first United States warships (maybe THE first), to be assigned to patrol the California coast after California was admitted to the Union in September of 1850. She patrolled the waters around San Francisco for a year or two and met her end on a calm, foggy night, when the anchor rode parted sometime around 02:00, and there wasn't enough of a breeze to make steerageway against the prevailing current, which deposited her on San Francisco's Ocean Beach the next morning. There were no reported injuries, and the ship was not immediately damaged, but after several unsucessful attempts to pull her off the beach, the local military authorities contracted with a local salvor to remove all valuable equipment and fittings, and the hulk was eventually broken up for recycling of her timbers for other uses. If I remember correctly, the Government recovered about $5000 worth of hardware and equipment from the wreck, but what happened to it is unknown (probably sold to local shipbuilders and chandleries).

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 07/20/2004 : 17:11:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Too bad the new dinghy makes the boat way too slow while towing, I'm not going to be able to take it along. Cost me over a knot in boatspeed...I really like it...I'm really disapointed<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Jim -- That's too bad. I have the same problem under motor towing my dinghy. Changing the length of the painter doesn't seem to help...the dinghy makes a bigger wake than the C25!

Perhaps your wife could bring the dinghy up to LA on a car roof rack or something, in which case you'll be able to enjoy your dinghy for half the trip. I could be available to help carry the dinghy from the car to the dock.

Losing a knot or so under motor makes less of a difference if you are cruising only 25 miles or less in a day. Wind assist helps remove the reduction in speed and sailing in a good breeze can remove it completely. When heading back to San Diego from Avalon, you'll likely get wind assist. Anyway -- just a thought.

See you on the 5th.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/21/2004 : 15:02:57

I'm bringing the SeaHawk. Its already checked out and repacked, and stowed in the quarterberth. I'll also have my 3.3 HP ob, and my 2 man kayak. The SeaHawk inflatable + OB will only be used when Karen and the kids are there anyways.

The new hard dinghy, well, I'll have to play around with it some more and see how it tows under sail. Right now it is back home.

Believe it or not, the boat is already 95% packed for my voyage. I only need to add another case of beer and my clothes and I'm ready to go! I'm so ready, I went and waxed the hull last night, and polished all the stainless. Nothing else needs fixing!

Putting 3 weeks of food, water and fuel aboard took off about 0.5 knots of boatspeed. Also, my prop almost never cavitates now, even at the highest setting of the motor mount!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/21/2004 : 16:38:17

600 lb. = 1"

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sterngucker
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Response Posted - 07/23/2004 : 04:15:36

Hope to catch you all at Catalina Island! I have been busy spending BUs getting outfitted. I have alot of work planned for this weekend. I will be installing a pedestal guard, VHF radio, antenna on the mast (and running cable), wiring for GPS and fishfinder, to start with.
The 6 gallon fuel tank just came today and the Mercury inflatable is suppose to arrive by next Wednesday, so I'll be able to get to shore on my own! Lots to do. No kids this weekend, so I'll be able to concentrate mainly on the boat.
I got the lowdown on mooring costs at the Isthmus, $108 for a week. Not too bad I guess. I was trying to find an easy way to spend one day at Avalon but the round trip bus fare (the so-called Safari Bus) would cost us about $170 for the three of us!!! Ouch! I'll be providing my own transportation for that also. It costs $21 to hook up to a mooring for the day at Avalon if you can get one. Hopefully it won't be sold out during the week.
I hope to get down to San Pedro on Sunday or Monday (1st or 2nd) and stay at Isthmus Cove for eight or nine days. I plan to alternate between days of sailing and days of exploring the island, with a little doing not much of anything sprinkled in. No definite schedule. Isn't that the way a vacation should be?
I am going to contact RichardG directly. I am hoping he can give the lowdown on where I can park the truck and trailer SAFELY for a week, where the ramp is, and any other tidbits of wisdom. See you there!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/23/2004 : 11:28:14

Hey Charlie, don't forget to get your boat name graphics on the side! You don't want to be refered to by the Harbor Master as "No Name Sailboat". Don't forget, hail the Harbor Patrol on VHF 9 when looking for a mooring. Avalon moorings are usually available mid week. Fleet 7 channel is 72. VHF 16 is for hailing and emergency traffic.

Contact RichardG, he will help you on that end.

The Fleet 7 Plan

Leave Mission Bay Sunday Aug 1 at dawn

Meet in Catalina Harbor on Aug 5 (may have stops in Oceanside, Dana, 2 Harbors on the way). Catalina Harbor is on the backside of where you will be, we'll find you.

Santa Barbara Island adventure Aug 6,7,8

Pick up families in LA harbor, Aug 9

Two Harbors Aug 9 - 13

Catalina circumnavigation Aug. 14 - 22

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 07/23/2004 : 11:31:36

Sun. - Wed. nights are best bets for Avalon in August -- better chance for an open spot.

While I've never used it, I understand the ramp at Cabrillo Beach is good. Parking seems to be secure, as the gate at the entrance is closed at night and rangers/police do patrols. Here is a link to a map with directions -- [url="http://www.cabrilloaq.org/dmap.html"]Map to ramp[/url]. The ramp is at the far end (northeast corner) of the lot, past the marine aquarium. There is no gas/food/ice sold in the park, so you should do your shopping before you enter.

Hope this helps.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Don't forget, hail the Harbor Patrol on VHF 9 when looking for a mooring.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Most likely, that will be unnecessary because it's the busy season and patrol boats are almost always hanging out at the entrance checking boats in. Before I got my handheld VHF, I couldn't call because my regular VHF is an older, simple unit and doesn't have Ch. 9 -- this never presented a problem.

If you want to be on the stringline, be sure to specifically request it -- they will often put you on a regular mooring if you don't ask.

Edited by - RichardG on 07/23/2004 11:51:34

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