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Does anyone else drag their motor?

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Ben
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Response Posted - 08/20/2004 : 14:21:21

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Frank, do you have a problem with this on your motor? Looks like you and I have the same engine. Ideally, I'd like my wife to be able to raise and lower the engine for when she does her Women's Regattas.

BTW, my wife is perfectly happy with my "little" Johnson.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/20/2004 : 14:49:34

If you've seen a Honda like mine (or lifted one), you know why I call it "little."

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 08/20/2004 : 14:55:54

Here is a picture of Valkyrie with her Johnson Sailmaster locked in the 'tilt' position and the stock mount in the up position. Picture is large so you can see to compare.

Hope it helps.

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Ben
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Response Posted - 08/20/2004 : 15:12:33

Thanks Doug. That's higher than mine. How close do you get to dragging your motor when you have some good wind, like 10-15+ mph?

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 08/20/2004 : 15:24:15

I have never noted substantial drag occuring, there is some slight contact but I don't think it is significant. I'll have to pay more attention next time, but when things get that fun my attention is elsewhere.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 08/20/2004 : 16:22:55

I have an XLS Nissan mounted to port. On stbd tack it drags most of the prop - which won't do for racing! We throw a loop of line around the lower unit and haul the motor horizontal, tieing it off to the stern rail. (Only problem is that it adds about 2' to the 2-boat length circle!)

Derek

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/20/2004 : 21:59:05

I operate my mount with one hand with no problem. Like most things there is a little synchopation to it but it is as easy as any mount I have ever used.

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Response Posted - 08/20/2004 : 23:49:20

I have a Honda 7.5 hp with a 20" shaft on the standard OEM Garhauer mount. Even with the motor tilted up to it's maximum lift, the prop drags on Port tack when the heel angle exceeds about 15 degrees. After I mount the Yamaha XLS I have on order, the prop will probably drag a little all the time on Port tack, even at only 3 degrees heel. That extra 5" is bound to have an effect.

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familysailor
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Response Posted - 08/21/2004 : 00:31:47

Hello again Ben,

Well, I have learned somthing courtesy of the folks on the fourm. My motor DOES raise up to almost horizontal. The lever that triggers the bar that raises the motor a little also triggers a catch on the inside of one side of the mount that holds the motor in the full up position. When the lever is engauged both catches are enabled and it is only a matter of how high you raise the motor as to which catch is used. When the lever is flipped to the down position both catches are disabled. All I have to do is raise the motor slightly and the catch releases. I looked and looked for a second release lever but finally discovered all is done with one. I hope the solution is as simple for you.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/22/2004 : 00:17:58

Ben, I had an 88' Sailmaster XLS on my C25 Pretty Penny so the motor should not be much if any different than yours. The long pin you are moving to hold your engine up is not for that purpose. It is design to allow you to set the angle of the motor parallel to the stern when down and to lock the motor in the down position when using reverse. There is a knob of sorts on the front of the motor that you turn 180 degrees to lock the motor down for reverse and to release it when in forward gear which allows the motor to kick up if you hit something. The tilt lock is on the starboard side of the motor and looks like a upside down "L" facing aft with a slot in the middle and what looks like a big screw in the slot. When you tilt the motor up all the way you have to reach back and pull it forward slightly to engage the lock then release the motor. To unlock it just tilt the motor forward and a spring will release it and allow the motor to lower.
Judging form the position of your mount when up you may have to make a thicker mount board to move the engine aft slightly to clear the transom. I had to do this on my boat to allow me to raise the mount completely. With the standard mount board and the motor tilted up completely I could not raise the mount up to the locked position since the motor head hit the transom.
Hope this helps explain the Johnson tilt mechanism. I may have some pictures of the set up an will EM to you if I can find them.

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Jay Schkloven
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Response Posted - 08/22/2004 : 10:43:13

I also drag the motor on a port tack, but that is in a breeze over 10 knots. I have used an eight inch x quarter inch wide bolt with an eye at the end, an eyebolt. They cost about a dollar and work better than the pin from Johnson that cost $8.00. I tilt the motor up and put the bolt in the top set of holes. When I motor in, I pull the bolt and lower the motor.
When I motor I have added a bag with weights to the area below back by the motor to offset the weight of someone at the bow. When coming into the slip the motor will come up just a bit too much, and the extra 60 lbs helps.

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Ben
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Response Posted - 08/22/2004 : 21:13:36

Thanks ya'll. I'll have to go take a closer look at my engine. I looked at it pretty closely today but didn't see how I could do anything differently. I think I'm going to print out this topic and take it with me. I think the wife and I are going to get the Garelick 71091 though. My wife can't lift the engine with our current motor mount. Hopefully with the Garelick she'll have no problems.

Thanks again,

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Joe Mama
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Response Posted - 08/24/2004 : 01:17:57

Ben,
Your Johnson 'Sailmaster' should have two tilt positions. From 'motoring' position (vertical, prop submerged) lift engine out of water with mount release. Then, flip 'tilt' lever to tilt position. Pulling the power head toward you, you should feel a 'click'. This is the 'first' tilt position. (Likely where you're having problems). Keep pulling until lower unit is almost horizontal (second click). You're problems should be solved. To release, just flip tilt lever to 'drop' position, and pull up on power head slightly. Thil will release tilt latch, and you will be able to lower engine back to vertical. If you have remote engine controls, (cockpit mounted), make sure that your cables dont kink. If not, just tilt tiller handle up prior to tilting engine. Happy sailing...

Joe Lucero
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Ben
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Response Posted - 08/24/2004 : 07:14:20

Thanks Joe. I'll try that!

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Ben
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Response Posted - 08/26/2004 : 14:12:49

Just to follow up with ya'll...I went out to the boat yesterday and it DOES tilt up further. Funny thing how I missed that, of course my wife could tell you how much time I spent looking for my sunglasses when they were perched on top of my head. Anyway, the unfortunate thing is that when the motor mount is up, there is not enough clearance to bring the engine up. The good news is that my new Garelick 07191, or whatever it is, arrives Monday! I'll just have to make sure there is enough clearance when I install the new motor mount.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 08/26/2004 : 18:58:04

I solved the clearance issue by turning my motor a bit. Glad you found the upper tilt position.

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Ben
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Response Posted - 08/26/2004 : 21:00:54

Thanks for the tip, Atgep. I'll try that next time I'm at the boat (hopefully tomorrow).

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