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Lightnup
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Initially Posted - 11/10/2004 :  18:49:08  Show Profile
'Lectronic Latitude article said this guy tore up TWO spinnakers last Saturday in "moderate" conditions off San Francisco. Ouch.
Steve Madden
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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 11/10/2004 :  21:38:56  Show Profile
Racers sure have a different mindset. Blowing out one is bad luck. Blowing out two in the same afternoon...maybe too stubborn for his own good?
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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 11/11/2004 :  13:36:37  Show Profile
I've never equipped any of my boats with a spinnaker; they're too delicate, too easily damaged, and too difficult to manage singlehanded (which I usually am). I guess if I was a dedicated racer, I'd have one, but I'm a cruiser; saiilboat racing seems too much like work, and I get enough of that at my regular job.

Here's another photo of someone's expensive day-A Catalina 30 was dismasted last weekend on San Francisco Bay.
Photo by Debbie Behling:
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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 11/11/2004 :  17:23:31  Show Profile
Wow, that's got to be a gut-puncher...sitting in the cockpit, watching your mast disinegrate and sails going overboard as you're reaching across the bay.

Steve
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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 11/11/2004 :  18:16:52  Show Profile
Again, at the risk of showing my ignorance, how would one do that to their mast? That water doesn't look that rough...clue me in please.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 11/11/2004 :  18:32:02  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
Hard to say what caused this. Could have been turnbuckles weakened by rust or by being bent while installing the mast (unlikely on a boat this size). Rusty standing rigging, particularly the fore or back stays. Deck rotted around the chain plates causing them to pull through. Weakend rigging pins at the mast attachment. Whatever the reason, it was a rigging failure that may have been prevented with regular inspections.

Al
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/11/2004 :  18:40:56  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
For a long time Catalina 30s used wooden spreaders. That water looks like it could take down a mast that had a spreader failure.
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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 11/11/2004 :  23:06:30  Show Profile
Geez, I hope he was able to recover his sails & mast.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/11/2004 :  23:47:21  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by existentialsailor</i>
<br />...how would one do that to their mast? That water doesn't look that rough...clue me in please.
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It is whitecapping smartly--not that much fetch to generate big waves... Could've been almost anything in the standing rigging, including the wooden spreaders, or it could've been an uncontrolled jibe. (No Catalina skipper would do that, would they?)
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henfling
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Response Posted - 11/11/2004 :  23:59:57  Show Profile
I was out sailing on the bay with my VHF tuned to channel 16 and heard the conversation between the de-masted Catalina and the Coast Guard. After the usual questions about how many people are on board and are you wearing life jackets, what is your position etc. the next question was: have you put out your anchor? From the picture, it looks like someone is on the bow looking to get out the anchor. This incident occured between Berkeley and Richmond and the water is shallow there. It also occured at low tide so it would be easy for them to set an anchor and not worry about drifting or running aground. I always take the lock off my anchor locker when sailing so I can set an anchor in any kind of emergency and from the Coast Guard conversation, they were intimating that the Catalina should have set the anchor as a first course of action.
Don Henfling
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/12/2004 :  00:04:28  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by henfling</i>
<br />...from the Coast Guard conversation, they were intimating that the Catalina should have set the anchor as a first course of action.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

They probably wanted him to set the anchor to prevent the sails and rigging (running or standing) from fouling the prop which would really put them in a pickle.
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dbehling
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Response Posted - 11/12/2004 :  02:18:48  Show Profile
From our picture, it may not look windy/choppy, but it was and it was getting worse. Plus the fog was rolling in. Look at the flag on their transom. We circle them a couple of times, we never saw an anchor go out. But, we're pretty sure with the depth the tip of the mast was stuck in the mud. Which, with the chop building could cause other issues. A couple of other boats came around everyone was trying to get them to cut the rigging loose. As we circled again, the skipper was winching in his rigging. Who knows maybe he just bought a new main. We assumed a shroud probably gave way. Looking around at boats in the bay, alot of boats with rust on their standing rigging. This could have been alot worse. Coast guard is always right on top of everything on the Bay. Hats off to them!!!!
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