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Gloss
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Initially Posted - 11/24/2004 : 19:17:56

Hi folks,
Since I'm planning to sail to the Tortugas next April I'm considering getting a new main. I'm assuming that if I order one with double reefs, and with it's full batten and loose foot, it should be a better sail than my original main if the wind comes up.

What do you all think? Their price is right, and I remember that everyone who has one likes it.

Any other bells and whistles I should get?

Frank Gloss
Formerly 89WK/TR
85 Ericson 32-3 shoal draft "Molto Bene"

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/24/2004 : 20:07:55

I've never gotten the loose foot thing, other than Arlyns app as a handrail...

The full battens and the two reef points are a definite must, maybe even three if you're going under the swim rope...... Also, Lady Kay came with fairly heavy mainsail cloth. I have found that, unlike a jib which has no battens, in light air the main holds a shape fairly easily in spite of the weight. In heavy air, the heavier cloth stands up much better, and overall I think it will last longer. Something to think about. And if the price is right.......go for it..

Oscar
C42 # 76 "Lady Kay" (Ex. C250 WB #618)
Georgetown MD/Fort Lauderdale FL

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 11/25/2004 : 09:21:57

Hey Oscar

What do you mean by "Going under the swim rope"? Does that mean sailing in big wind and waves and going "submarining"?

I really like the fact that you renovated a larger sailboat and are now enjoying her. It's one of my dreams.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 11/25/2004 : 09:23:18

Hi Frank,

I have used the Ullman full battened main for four seasons now and find it to be a flawless performer. My sail is a tall version with one reef point. I use the sail with the bolt rope though I choose not to install it. It's there in the event that I want to. Should you order your sail as a loose footed sail it will come without the bolt rope.

When my sail was new I asked Gary at Ullman if he could install a foot shelf (I wasn't happy with my inability to control the draft), he said it was doable gave me a price and when I realized that it would take the better part of the sailing season to be completed I thought I'd try the sail without inserting the rope. Solved my problem and it has been used that way since. I check the outhaul cringle for wear periodically and it is as new. I sail daily in season.

Works for me.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 11/25/2004 : 09:59:40

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As in leaving the protected area.....Tortugas will decrease Gloss's ability to control the weather, it's a long day sail from Key West....

http://encarta.msn.com/map_701512166/Dry_Tortugas.html

If you want to wait for the perfect weather window you'll never get there, so he needs to be prepared to deal with a T-storm, or two.

Oscar
C42 # 76 "Lady Kay" (Ex. C250 WB #618)
Georgetown MD/Fort Lauderdale FL

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 11/25/2004 : 10:38:54

..."Going under the swim rope"?

Think of being a kid and ducking under the rope to get ouside of the designated swimming area...

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 11/25/2004 : 11:20:51

Let me know how you like it and, if you want, email me with the price. The sail is on my wish list. Very high up. Saving my pennies.

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 11/25/2004 : 11:46:56

Hi Frank,

When I bought my Ullman main I also had a flattening reef installed. It's great when the breeze is in breezes a little strong for full main but not quite strong enough to tuck a first reef. Here's a link to the Tech Tips section of the website that has a couple photos of my system. http://www.catalina25-250.org/tech/tech25/sdflatreef.html

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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matsche
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Response Posted - 11/25/2004 : 11:49:54

Frank:

I've had my loose footed Ullman for 2 seasons now and it's great. High performance, good control and durability. My only goof was to not get the second reef point. Tall rigs REALLY need the 2nd reef point. I'll probably have that put in this winter.

One thing to be aware of with the Ullman mainsail is that they put in a LOT of roach which is good. But for some tall rigs, like mine, it caused a problem with my 2nd batten which would occasionally hang up on the back stay during a tack. I resolved the problem easily by 1) lowering the boom an inch or two, and 2) shaving an inch off the offending batten. Works great now.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 11/26/2004 : 12:28:47

Frank,

Like John, I ordered my North main with what is called a "full roach" or "max PHRF roach". It is an option that many lofts talk you into or encourage you to get because of the amount of extra sail it provides up top, primarily for racing under PHRF rules. For a tall rig its's huge, but has the drawback that John mentioned, the top battan hangs up on the back stay in light air. For a standard rig the option will probably provide much needed sail area, but again, the hangup problem. I personally like the option and am living with the drawback. In the interim I'm hoping someone comes out with a mast crane that accomdates both the extension for spinnaker halyard block and one for the back stay, to move it toward the stern. Any machinists out there?

Al
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