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dlucier
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Initially Posted - 01/07/2005 : 12:58:41

While doing my daily perusal on eBay, I found this [url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63730&item=4517837024&rd=1"]1979 C25[/url]. It has a unique modification that looks pretty cool!

Additionally, the boat appears to be a neighbor of Jim out in San Diego...

"I've owned 'Serenity' for almost 4 years and she is a beautiful sailboat; located in San Diego at Marina Village (L Dock) neighboring a friendly fleet of other Catalina 25's."

Don Lucier

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 13:30:05

Wow! That's interesting. It looks like a completely different boat.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 14:46:24

With a sale like this, would the slip be transferable to the new owner? Very nice boat.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 15:28:37

Interesting porta potty.

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Kip C
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 15:31:24

Don,
You and I must be on the same schedule. I also noticed it this morning. What I like, are the globe and the lamp! Must make things interesting while sailing. What would you call that area of the boat?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 15:35:14

Here is a well priced trailer with a free boat

[url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63730&item=4517873048&rd=1"]25' boat trailer[/url]

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 17:16:39

Yes, I know these guys, they are interior decorators. I invited them to join the fleet but they declined. I've always wanted to take some photos of their boat interior. While I love the open, C250 style, I'm afraid that they have seriously compromised hull strength by removing the bulkheads. Cosmetically, the exterior of the boat is sadly neglected, although they do have a brand new 5 HP Nissan 4 stroke xl shaft engine. The rest of the boat is bone stock. Have not seen the sails.

Not sure I'd be willing to sail this one in a stiff blow. Don't think Catalina would be to blame in a product liability suit if the hull oil-canned at the mast.

Its been for sale for several months with no offers.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 20:40:51

The bulkhead that has been cut away is structural. Weakening it is nuts.

This reminds me of the second law of modifying vehicles: "The people who originally designed these things were not fools." (The first law being: "There is no substitute for cubic inches." And I suppose another law would be: "Speed costs money. How fast can you afford to go?"

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-- Leon Sisson

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Mark Loyacano
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 20:44:09

[quote]Originally posted by JimB517
 While I love the open, C250 style, I'm afraid that they have seriously compromised hull strength by removing the bulkheads./quote]

It might surprise you how little those bulheads matter. Just an opinion. I've sailed several seasons without the forward bulkhead. There is no evidence of wear, crazing or deformity...nada.
There is a lot of comfort gained, however.

If I were to eliminate the middle bulkhead, as they did, what remained would be "tabbed" in just to be sure nothing can flex at the chainplate areas.

Cheers,

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 20:44:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Kip C
 ...What I like, are the globe and the lamp! Must make things interesting while sailing. What would you call that area of the boat?
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Nav station--for their circumnavigation.

As for the porta-potti, well, obviously it isn't... (maybe a hot-tub?) ...which leads to the question: Where's the head? (I guess when you're circumnavigating, you don't need no steenking head...

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Jim: The compression post is intact, and the piece of the bulkhead for the chainplate is still there, so the structure might not be too badly compromised. But it's not for your kind of sailing!

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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 01/07/2005 : 22:15:28

Neat looking but I think I would have left the bulkheads intact.
Looks more like some place to entertain than to sail.
That globe and lamp would last about 2 minutes actually sailing,
unless they're bolted down.

Of course the photos look great if you're trying to sell the boat to someone who knows nothing about them. IMHO
Course it may work perfectly, but I think there woulld be flex between the hull and the deck you really wouldn't want.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 01/08/2005 : 09:12:55

In my former profession I got a degree in Building Construction from the University of Florida, class of 73 (what an old fart) As part of our curriculum we had some structural engineering classes, in addition to management, yadda yadda. In structural design of buildings you have "shear walls" which prevent the "racking" of the building. In other words, it prevents them from falling sideways, kinda like some playing cards falling sideways. Another way to explain it is that it provides "cross bracing"
I'm not a marine architect, nor do I play one on TV, but it seems to me that the bulkheads serve to prevent "racking" in the boat too, in addition to supporting the deck, and holding on to the chain plates. Would this make sense to anybody else? Can I get you to buy into this theory? Heck, I'm wondering about the DPO of my boat who cut several holes into my port bulkhead for a stereo, electrical panels, depth meter, gps, and VHF radio. Like you really can see the gps and depth meter from the cockpit.

Being a former construction project manager, estimator, superintendant, foreman, carpenter, laborer, etc. I won't even comment on interior designers.

Now I do anesthesia for a living, so I'm just passin' gas.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 01/08/2005 : 09:20:41

I think someone decorated a c-25 to be used as a seaside cabin and perhaps to be motored about on calm days within reach of the local tie-up. I personally like the removal of the athwartship beam as you enter the head area ( my headbuster)though I would never do so. To be used otherwise has been adequately discussed above.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/08/2005 : 09:45:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 ...While I love the open, C250 style, I'm afraid that they have seriously compromised hull strength by removing the bulkheads...Not sure I'd be willing to sail this one in a stiff blow. Don't think Catalina would be to blame in a product liability suit if the hull oil-canned at the mast...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

As Dave stated, the compression post is carrying the load so I don't think oil-canning at the mast is possible even without bulkheads. Besides, aren't the bulkheads just slipped into and floating somewhat in the liner slots without much mechanical fastening?

For perspective, my old Venture 25, with its thin, non-cored, single layered deck(which creaked underfoot), had one bulkhead and it was for cosmetic purposes only.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/08/2005 : 11:30:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gloss
 In structural design of buildings you have "shear walls" which prevent the "racking" of the building. In other words, it prevents them from falling sideways<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Years ago in Southfield, MI, an 18-story building was going up... notthing but steel framework with temporary internal cabling... Along came a big midwestern storm front--near tornado conditions... When it was over, the top nine floors were tilting about 10 degrees east! Guess they didn't get the sheetrock up fast enough.

The racers here might be getting ideas looking at that boat (illegal, I presume, for Nationals). Some others might be thinking those bamboo shades are to die for!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 01/08/2005 : 12:16:51

I like the layout and I'd do it if I thought it was safe. Even though the bulkheads are just screwed in they do provide a great deal of strength to the hull.

Oh, the one time the guys showed me below I asked about the head and they said they don't need one.

They also have those little rope lights all around the inside - very nice.

The sign at the marina says $5500 or $6500 with the motor. Good luck. I hope no potential buyer asks me about it.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 01/08/2005 : 14:09:52

The ladies I take sailing sure do like having a head, not like my older C22. Did I ever mention how much I like my C25? (only about a million times)

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 01/08/2005 : 14:30:30

I understand the concerns about structural strength and all, and I prefer the closed cabin design for privacy - in the head if for nothing else

, but...........shouldn't we ask Catalina about this mod before we pass judgment? Who knows, this may be very safe modification if it's done right. Afterall, when you remove the roof from a sedan and add the right structural enhancements, you have a convertable. Simplistic but............

Al
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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 01/09/2005 : 10:25:59

There seems to be almost nothing securing the port chainplates to the rest of the structure, and the chainplate loads on both sides appear to be concentrated in a very small area.

I can't believe that this is in any way a safe mod, but I do love those bamboo shades.

Edited by - oldsalt on 01/09/2005 10:28:30

MattL
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Response Posted - 01/09/2005 : 11:28:19

OK, I like the design of having the bulk head. My wife would not have a head with out being enclosed.

But, when you look at a 250, aren't they open like this? Then there is always the Mac and hunter with open spaces.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/09/2005 : 12:00:12

I'm with Old Salt on this part... "I do love those bamboo shades"
Also agree that the portside chainplate looks like a failure waiting to happen.

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 01/09/2005 : 13:55:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I think someone decorated a c-25 to be used as a seaside cabin and perhaps to be motored about on calm days within reach of the local tie-up.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Maybe it's gonna be on the new boat makeover show, "Queer Eye for the Catalina Guy"

I couldn't resist that.

R Bad.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/10/2005 : 08:15:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by oldsalt
 There seems to be almost nothing securing the port chainplates to the rest of the structure, and the chainplate loads on both sides appear to be concentrated in a very small area.

I can't believe that this is in any way a safe mod, but I do love those bamboo shades.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I agree with you (except for the bamboo) there must be some sort of structural instability from this modification. Though, that style is exactly what a lot of race boats look like down below. (including the evelyn 32 which I race on) The only differences being the mast going all the way through and not running to a compression post and an additional internal shroud like wire/turnbuckle configuration attached to the bulkhead pulling or stabilizing everything inboard and connecting to a stringer.
Take a look here at an Evelyn I found on the WEB

One other rambling thought. If I recall correctly from my time replacing the tabernacle the compression post sits offset from the Mast itself??

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/10/2005 : 08:57:04

The bulkhead on the above C25 looks somewhat like the C22...

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/10/2005 : 12:12:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 ...If I recall correctly from my time replacing the tabernacle the compression post sits offset from the Mast itself??
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Not mine. I removed it to install the base plate--mine is thru-bolted both fore and aft (just barely) of the post--in fact, a little too close to it.

As for the Evelyn, maybe they don't trust their hull-deck joint under stress from the rig.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 01/10/2005 12:14:34

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