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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/20/2005 : 08:39:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by adamb
 Where on earth do one fine an 8' length of bungee (or 12' for that matter)
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Layline.com has excellent bulk bungee, remember that you want something with a UV resistant cover.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/20/2005 : 09:06:20

12 feet???

The bungee I use on the tiller is maybe 3 or 4 feet long at the most (relaxed) and came with one of those assortment packs from Walmart. This length allows wrapping the tiller about 4 times.

I probably have about 2 dozen bungee cords with hooks onboard. You'd be amazed at the multitude of uses for them.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 01/20/2005 : 10:56:23

No the tiller pilot does not labor at that place. If its too far forward it has to drive the arm over a greater distance and cant move the tiller as much. Its also important that it be level. I do have the balanced rudder and the tiller pilot really cant handle big gusty winds + big waves and serious weather helm. Thats when I use it to just lock the tiller while I reduce sail.

Tiller pilot is also really useful for heaving-to, and the autotack feature is quite handy when single handing.

Nothing beats not steering for hours especially downwind or on a light wind day. Also it has a much longer attention span than I do. I usually set it and spend my time tweaking sails and sail controls, fishing, or reading on a long passage.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/20/2005 : 14:54:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mark Loyacano
 ...Jim, does your autopilot "labor" more (consume more power) at all positioned so far aft on the tiller? I've always imagined they would need to be more forward for better leverage. Thanks.
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My ST1000 autopilot's mounting pin is positioned 18" from the rudder's pivot point, as per instructions.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/20/2005 : 22:28:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 The bungee I use on the tiller is maybe 3 or 4 feet long at the most (relaxed) and came with one of those assortment packs from Walmart. This length allows wrapping the tiller about 4 times.
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What?? That wouldn't work on a Sunfish...

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/21/2005 : 08:54:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 The bungee I use on the tiller is maybe 3 or 4 feet long at the most (relaxed) and came with one of those assortment packs from Walmart. This length allows wrapping the tiller about 4 times.
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What?? That wouldn't work on a Sunfish...

Wait--you're attaching it to the locker hasps--I'm taking it back to the cleats, and 12' is probably a couple of feet more than actually needed. For some reason, your method didn't seem to work on my boat... Do you have a pre-fuel locker model?...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Dave,

Yes, I have the integrated dumpster/fuel locker, but even so, a 12 foot bungee seems excessive considering that it stretches to about 24 feet.

Which cleats are you attaching the bungee to Dave...the bow cleats?

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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 01/21/2005 : 10:04:38

The one I use is only 3.5-4' long also. (Used it yesterday).
Depending on how tight I want it I can get up to 5 or 6 wraps on it.
Goes from the port sail locker hasp to the starbord shallow locker hasp.
I also have about 50 or 60 different bungee cords on board in all sorts of configurations.
Takes about 15 just to put her to bed.
Don't leave port without 'em!

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/21/2005 : 17:24:52

OK, I don't remember the length, but simple geometry suggests something in the 8-10' range from the stern cleats to somewhere forward on the tiller (not stretched a lot). Straight across between the locker hasps would be a lot shorter. Whatever.....

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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 01/22/2005 : 00:03:46

Speaking of bungees, the ones I have on board are adjustable. The hook has something like a jam cleat . Pretty Kewl. Saw them at Home Depot and had to have them.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 01/22/2005 : 16:23:35

[url="http://www.go2marine.com/main.jsp"]Refurbished Tiller Pilots[/url]

Just ran into this on (gasp!) another boating web site.

Steve

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/23/2005 : 22:05:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup
 [url="http://www.go2marine.com/main.jsp"]Refurbished Tiller Pilots[/url]

Just ran into this on (gasp!) another boating web site.

Steve

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Wow, a TP10 for $159.00!

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adamb
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Response Posted - 01/29/2005 : 22:49:24

If I go with the bungee solution - what diameter would you recomend?
I went to WM today and they have 1/4, 3/8 & 1/2 inch.

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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 01/30/2005 : 01:25:14

Mine is .25" and works fine.
Never thought of going to a larger diameter.
One thing though, you want it to give some if your going to your latches.
I think .325" would be fine but .5" might be pushing it.
They can't be that expensive.
If you're not sure, buy all three in the length you think you need and see which one works best.
You can AWAYS use the other two for something.

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triley
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 16:55:03

I sail on an inland lake and don't leave the tiller often except for a few moments at a time to douse headsails or to get a beer. I just have a forespar twistlock and a tiller lockbox. Works fine unless I don't twist hard enough. I feel a little sheepish and under teched here.

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Bill Sloane
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Response Posted - 02/11/2005 : 19:52:50

Gee, I forgot I had posted that bungee cord picture. Where does one get old post's photos like that? FYI, my bungee is short, like 18".

Bill.
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/12/2005 : 09:23:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Bill Sloane
 Gee, I forgot I had posted that bungee cord picture. Where does one get old post's photos like that?...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Bill,

A lucky archive search brought up a topic with your photo in it and I simply borrowed it, with due credit of course.

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bear
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Response Posted - 02/21/2005 : 16:47:19

I have used the tiller tamer for three years now. The two things it does for me is that with the proper friction applied you just have to "bump" the tiller handle with your hand for minor course changes and it locks the tiller in place when at the dock. It also looks like when attached to the rear stern rail it eliminated climbing over a bungee cord to swim or have access to the back of the boat

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bear
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Response Posted - 02/21/2005 : 16:53:30

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