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Marine Head instead of porta pottie

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johnsonp
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Initially Posted - 03/21/2005 : 17:15:47

I have a potra pottie and could not find a place to dump it.
The marina where I berth has only a pumpout and the marina on the other side of island dump was out of order but their pumpout was working.
Thought about throwing the whole unit in the dumpster but left it out side on the boat maybe some dump crook would steal it.
and for those of you.....YOUR NOT PUTTING THAT IN MY CAR ......

I'm going to install a marine head and would like to hear from those who have installed one.

There are many different Models and types so,I would like to hear some opinions on this subject.
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paulj #719

Edited by - johnsonp on 03/21/2005 23:20:18

At Ease
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Response Posted - 03/21/2005 : 20:04:16

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 03/22/2005 : 07:50:32

I installed a Jabsco about 8 years ago and consider it ok. Have had no problem with the head mechanism but the plastic seat bolts haven't wanted to stay tight though they haven't failed.

The installation worked well on the 250 with the output having a good angle fitting to route the discharge hose thru the wet locker.

A 13 gallon Todd holding tank is mounted on a platform immediately aft of the wet locker which has worked well. Dimensions for that platform are on my web site. Others have gone with a flexible holding tank in the aft compartment. The installation also included a macerator pump because I trailer sail exclusively and when not cruising, usually discharge into the front yard cleanout

My haul for cruising is 2-3 days and to make the head usable on the road, the intake can either be sea or fresh water.

A small light mounted on top of the tank serves as tank monitor. A curtain will hide the tank from view.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 03/22/2005 : 08:51:24

Don't know how much you use your head, but there have been previous threads that talk about a five gallon porta pottie that has a pump out attachment. I have not personnelly looked into it since we ordered the new boat with a marine head. It might be a way to go that gives you both options and requires little work to install, from what I have read. For sure it will be a lot cheaper. On page 529 of the new WM catalog item "D" shows the Thetford Aquamate which has a 6.2 gallon holding tank and can be dumped either way.
I am sure someone on the forum will be able to give you a lot more information on this unit.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 03/22/2005 : 19:06:08

Frog
What is the make and model of the marine head that comes with your 2004 C250?
paulj

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 03/22/2005 : 23:23:49

I hate it when people ask the hard questions, just kidding - standby while I look it up. It is a 1460 C Headmate made by Wilcox Crittenden, Inc. So far we have not had any problems with it. Anthing else I can look up or help you with let me know.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 03/23/2005 : 20:40:48

Frog
Now that you mentioned it....... what size holding tank and could you take some pictures of the installation?
Arlyn has some good photos, which helps bring to mind some of the problems Arlyn found and ways to fix them.
Looked for flexable bladders on the internet and struck out ....will try tomarrow.
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paulj #719

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 03/23/2005 : 21:58:56

The tank is rectangular and holds 13 gallons. It is located behind the bulkhead in the aft berth on the port side.
I will try and get some pictures as soon as I can. I am in the process of building a changing table/3 drawer dresser for our soon to be new grandaughter. I just could not see $700 for a pine dresser.

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tmhansen
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Response Posted - 03/23/2005 : 23:55:01

Paul we have one of the portapotties with the ability to pump out but I have not used it. It only holds about 5 gallons which is enough for four of us to go three or four days. I use marine pump out facilities all the time with it. I remove the tank, set it on the dock, remove the cap, open an air vent (very important as the suction can turn the tank into an interesting shape in about two seconds - I'll never forget again

) and turn on the pump. I then spray water into the tank and pump again. Many pump out stations have a dump station for portapotties too. This is even better as I can get the tank really clean. While the tank is out of the boat we wipe down the area around the head with Clorox wipes and clean the head too. All the trash goes into the dock trash can and leaves the boat. I then refill the fresh water tank and we are ready to go. Another advantage is I do not have to have a pump to empty the head. I can dump it into a toilet (hold your breath!

) or if in appropiate area I could even dump it overboard (never have and not likely to)

The one advantage I see a with a permanent installation is tank capacity.

There are composting heads too, but I have not heard how they work in real world use yet.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 03/24/2005 : 22:00:28

Played hookie today after returning from the tooth grinder. Just to perfect a day to work inside so PennyII and I played outside for about five hours. Pictures you want, pictures you get.

Sanitary disposal room

Air trap line

Lines through wet locker aft

Lines through Aft birth to bulkhead

Tank on port side (picture shoot from top of battery box)

The cleanout is on top of the port combing just forward of the pulpit seat. Hope this helps with your decision.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 03/26/2005 : 02:07:02

Jerry,
Thanks for the pictures they realy helped alot.
I ordered a Wilcox Crittened Newport Electric Marine Head. Wife likes the idea of no pumping and I like the idea of not man handling 5 gal of .........
I'm looking at a Todd 13 gal holding tank and the best place to locate it in the back like yours or Alryn's because of the standard location of fittigs on tank.
The water for the head will come from a flexible 13 gal tank located in the v-berth I think.
Where does your holding tank vent located and do you have a sending unit in you holding tank?
HEY thanks alot to you and the rest of the mates for your help.
paulj #719

Edited by - johnsonp on 03/26/2005 02:10:12

frog0911
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Response Posted - 03/26/2005 : 23:37:56

Paul, the tank vents on the port side just under the rub-rail. I do not have anything on or in the tank to indicate amount of contents. I do have the plans for such a thing, but I doubt I will ever make one. The water for the head comes from a thru hull (forgot to take a picture of it)located in the aft berth under the big removable floor panel. I also spliced in an additional water tank for using fresh water flush at the end of the day otherwise we flush with seawater. The only other modification I might do is add a pump to allow for home pumpout, such as Arlyns'. Someone once said they used a wet/dry vac and it worked o'kay. Never tried it so don't really know.

Edited by - frog0911 on 03/26/2005 23:42:36

BJ Wagner
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Response Posted - 03/27/2005 : 12:57:01

This has been an ongoing project of mine for some time. I have a Todd 13 gallon tank mounted behind the original battery location (relocated batteries under v-berth). Installed a 25 amp circuit breaker and have power run to underneath where the head will be mounted. Still need to drill and install the thru-hull for the water feed and purchase the WC electic head.

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