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georgiaboater
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Initially Posted - 03/26/2005 : 10:54:26

I bought a new 3 spring motor mount from CD and when I went to take off the old mount...found that the bolts where "frozen on"...probably sealed at the time of installation...so how do I remove them without tearing up the transom...or would I be better off trying to "rehab" the old mount and sending the new one back to CD.

Marshall P

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 03/26/2005 : 11:27:54

With a good set of sockets and some muscle you can probably twist the old bolts off. Alternatively (or if the above fails) you can cut the bolt ends off with an angle grinder, hacksaw (patience), sawzall etc. (I've had to do this a lot)

I would for sure go to the effort to get the old bolts out and replace the mount... this provides a good opportunity to 'beef' up the installation too.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 03/26/2005 : 12:15:01

When you install your bracket with new stainless bolts make sure you use "never seize" on your bolts. You old ones are probably "galled" and never will work again.

We have all had to deal with this at one time or another.

Always use never seize on any stainless bolt.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/26/2005 : 13:16:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by georgiaboater
 I bought a new 3 spring motor mount from CD and when I went to take off the old mount...found that the bolts where "frozen on"...probably sealed at the time of installation...so how do I remove them without tearing up the transom...or would I be better off trying to "rehab" the old mount and sending the new one back to CD.
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Would you be better trying to "rehab" the old mount?...Maybe.

I went the rehab route because I simply had issues with broken nylon bushings. The rebuild kit for the original Garhauer mount was something like $22.00 and was relatively easy to install.

Oh, and Marshall, welcome to the forum!

Edited by - dlucier on 03/26/2005 13:19:55

dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/27/2005 : 08:48:48

Marshall,

I answered your email, but I thought I'd post that information here too.

Yes, Garhauer made the original tubular stainless steel mount. They can be reached at http://www.garhauer.com/.

I hope this helps.

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mwalkup
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Response Posted - 03/28/2005 : 22:42:27

Yah know I just replaced my motor mount a month ago.

I tried as suggested on our site here to contact Garhauer and maybe save a couple of dollars on above mentioned motor mount.

I was told by their service rep. that they no longer offered this particular mount and that I had to call Catalina Direct to purchase it. I did, and was told that the price had gone up, a second time after a previous increase in the new price list that I had received not that long ago. I complained and in their defence was given a small
discount.
As much as I use and appreciate C.D. this rather smacked of limit the distribution, and up the price on your best customers. Maybe I'm wrong.
Mike
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/29/2005 : 07:17:51

CD is run by very nice people. I would expect the price change reflects their real cost. They told me that they contracted garhauer to develop the mount. If sales have been below targets then I am sure they do need to charge more. A lot of us have gone with the Garelick, I am sure that has hurt the CD sales. My Garelick was VERY expensive so I imagine the CD is still a good deal. Sailing hardware is a very small market, it is amazing to me that we have so much to choose from.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 03/29/2005 07:18:14

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/29/2005 : 19:50:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 CD is run by very nice people.... Sailing hardware is a very small market, it is amazing to me that we have so much to choose from.
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Second that! CD is a great resource run by good folks who know our boats and want to keep us happy. Few other makes and models have that going for them, even from their manufacturers!

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JB007
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Response Posted - 03/30/2005 : 02:25:17

I rehabbed my old single-spring motor mount this weekend, installing the beefed up side arms, stainless steel backing plate and plastic mount board. The rehab seems to have been successful because the bracket moves smoothly and hooks properly in the three positions.

I don't know, maybe I shouldn't be confessing to my punyness on an open Forum like this but when I hung the 86lb. Honda on it, I had all kinds of Fun trying to move that motor up and down and into the grooves. The single spring didn't seem to help very much.

Sure wish the old mount had at least (2) springs. Does anyone know how to convert the old one-spring mount to 2 springs?

And also, the PO hadn't used the boat in at least a couple of years. What's the best way to clean out the old turned-to-shellac fuel from the fuel tank and lines? My judgement tells me it would probably be best to find a new fuel tank. But what do you all think?

John Bartelt
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/30/2005 : 08:40:52

Fuel hoses are a real point of frustration for me. The current products that I have found use pinch fittings on the hoses rather than proper band clamps and the fittings are all China knock offs. I think the best thing to do is buy the brand name fittings and go buy clamps and hoses from your local auto parts store. 'swhat I'm going to do! As for the tank, if it is metal and you want it, then clean it, if it is plastic toss it and buy a new one. I do not know how to clean a tank but old timers are known to say that we we all obsess too much about old gas and such. I am under the impression that if you are still using a two stroke they tolerate fuel issues better than four strokes.

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 03/31/2005 : 11:23:09

Just finished installing the four spring garhauer mount with the starboard material and following the suggestions from members of the forum. It really looks good and fits just like they said it would. Used two of the orginal holes and added two extra bolts with lock nuts and backing. The fuel lines I now use are sold by WM which are fire resistant and are attached directly to the fuel tanks. Have a 79 where the tanks are in the boat, I have replaced them once just because of their age and check the newer tanks each time I refuel. Double clamps are used for insurance too. Great forum ideas. Good sailing.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 03/31/2005 : 20:48:30

I currently own the heavy duty Garelick mount, which I have since modified to get a lower travel. At the time I bought it the newer 4 spring version of the Garhauer wasn't out yet. If I were to buy a new mount now, I would go with the 4 spring Garelick from Catalina Direct. The reason for this is the range of motion on the mount, you can get your motor lower than with a stock Garelick. Of course this is for a heavy Honda motor.

Garelick, Garhauer, Gosh,its so confusing

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mwalkup
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Response Posted - 04/01/2005 : 13:31:28

You know it's interesting speaking of motor mounts and the distance they travel.
As I stated earlier I just replaced my older version Garhauer with a newer model, same make from Catalina Direct. What puzzels me is the fact that when I lower it to the very first notch from the top, my Tohatsu long shaft motor sits way down in the water,almost to far it seems. I used the same holes I used with the older mount. I much prefer placing it in the second notch from the top as the throttle handle is closer and I don't have to reach so far down both lowering and retrieving the motor. In this position the ? plate above the prop is clearly submerged, and a good stream of water is being discharged.
This new motor is 3 inches longer than my old Honda.

Am I good to go. or should I lower it as far as I can.

I do realize that if the waters were extremly rough I'd want to have the motor as deep as possible. most of the time however this bathtub lake of mine is rather docile.

Any insight will be appreciated.
Mike
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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/01/2005 : 14:05:53

Hey Mike,
It seems like you have already got it figured out. If you need it lower, send it down.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 04/01/2005 : 16:23:44

>"I do realize that if the waters were extremly rough I'd want to have the motor as deep as
>possible. most of the time however this bathtub lake of mine is rather docile."

I put mine all the way down in rough water or if I'm going up to the bow and I don't want the motor to ventilate. Under normal 'running' conditions I use the middle notch.

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mwalkup
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Response Posted - 04/01/2005 : 17:18:27

Thanks.
I just wanted to know I wasn't riding the motor to high.
I guess if she's spitting out a good amount of water everythings ok.
Thanks again

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cmckitrick
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Response Posted - 04/04/2005 : 11:56:23

I think I have the origional motor mount with an 8 hp Mercury Sailpower. How do you know when you need a new mount and does anyone know the weight capacity of the origionals? Thanks.

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JB007
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Response Posted - 04/05/2005 : 02:43:50

Charlie, in answer to your question "How do you know when you need a new mount " :

a) When you can feel (or hear) a disk popping out in your back while trying to lift the motor
b) When you strain your shoulder
c) When you sprain your elbow
d) When you sprain your wrist
e) All of the above

I just rehabbed my original single-spring motor mount (new board, board backing plate and side arms) for roughly $100 and now believe that doing so was a Big Mistake.

I now wish I had just gone ahead and bought the multiple spring motor mount for $265 from Catalina Direct. I may still do so because I don't think I want to fool around with a pully system mounted to my stern rail to get the motor out of the water when I'm ready to sail.

I think the weight capacity on that old motor mount is around 90lbs. My Honda 7.5 HP weighs 86 lbs and the old motor mount can't come close to balancing that motor's weight.

John Bartelt
Pueblo, CO
C25 TR/SK
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/05/2005 : 09:00:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JB007
 ...I just rehabbed my original single-spring motor mount (new board, board backing plate and side arms) for roughly $100 and now believe that doing so was a Big Mistake.

I now wish I had just gone ahead and bought the multiple spring motor mount for $265 from Catalina Direct. I may still do so because I don't think I want to fool around with a pully system mounted to my stern rail to get the motor out of the water when I'm ready to sail...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

John,

I not positive, but I believe that some members have had Garhauer add a spring to their original mount. Call Garhauer and see if they still do this.

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cmckitrick
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Response Posted - 04/05/2005 : 12:51:04

Thanks, John for your detailed response.

Charlie

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