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Ericson33
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Initially Posted - 05/18/2005 : 12:39:30

Catalina 25/250 I think that the National Capri25 site is going to be shut down. below you will read the post that I have put on the Yahoo Capri 25 site, and the WYC Capri 25 fleet 0 Fourm. I know there has been some talk about the 25/250 site picking up the Capri 25's and that the Capri 25's will have a start at the National 25/250 regatta. I myself will not be able to bring up my boat to the race, as much as I would like to I just didn't have enough time to get the plans into my schedule. I will be driving up to Wichata, KS these days and do plan on stopping by and intoducing myself and my family. We alredy had plans at this time to be in hutch, so the drive will be on the way. Did anyone talk to WYC about picking up the Capri 25's into the 25/250 org? I thank you for your time on this matter and would like to hear from as many people on this subject, The site is due to be closed on Friday.

Capri 25 Members
As far as Catalina goes I don't think that they even care about the
National site, I do belive (correct me if I am wrong WYC'ers) That
the National site was built just because of the WYC National Regatta
and trying to get the word out about it. My thoughts are if there is
going to be a National site that it should include everyone, There
are my Capri 25's that race all around the country. Even if the
boats are not raced OD, I still think that its important to list
these boats, having a results page, and giving these (our) boats
some paper space. Also If this is going to be a National site, I
think that Catalina should be involved. It would give them exposure
for the Capri 25 and just another boat to talk about. My thoughts
are that Catalina does not make this boat anymore, and so its not
important for them to stand behind this boat in OD racing. Just my
thoughts. Listed below is the emails that have been sent about the
National site. I do go to the site, and I have posted information on
it, I really do think that we here at Yahoo have more traffic, and
post more information faster than WYC or the National site. Here are
the emails.

The capri25.net site hosting contract is about to expire. Joel
had previously paid for all the setup, hosting, and domain name
expenses
for a year of hosting and 2 years of domain name registration
(www.capri25.net and www.capri25national.org). We need to
collectively
decide if we want to continue the national site and to fund it
somehow.

At this point, there are no further setup costs (I've been
maintaining the site), and I've been able to reconfigure the hosting
contract to use a cheaper yearly plan. Thus the new yearly expenses
will total $63 a year. This coming Friday, the site will be shut
down.

As regatta co-chair, I would be inclinded to shut it down. I really
do
not believe we will attract any out of town boats through that web
site.
Any interest we get will more likely come from the WYC Capri
website. I
assume most search engines would direct people to our site
especially if
the other site is shut down. Time to get started on planning this
years
regatta. I'll put something out very soon......................Dutch
Bull

How about a compromise?

Rather than shut it down and abandon existing users, why not point
the
domain(s) to the WYC Capri25 pages? This would preserve the value of
the domains, garner traffic for WYC, and cost nothing (other than
$8/yr
for the domain).

In other words, all the files at http://www.wyc.org/capri25/ would
also
appear at www.capri25national.org

This employs a webserver trick (virtualhosts) so the McDonagh's (who
subsidize hosting of wyc.org) would need to make a minor change to
their
server's configuration, and the domain owner (Eric?) would have to
update DNS to point to the McDonagh server.

The two sites are already crossed linked. For example, the national
site refers people to the WYC site for listings of boats for sale. I
think a better question to ask is how many people actually hit the
national site on any regular basis. Is there year-round traffic or
were
there just bursts when the site was initially launched and as we got
closer to regatta-time?

Well you read it here first, As mentioned late last night, I did go
ahead and get www.capri25.com. I already have a hosting plan that I
use for my company, So the site being built would cost 5.99 per year
thats 15 cents per member, If you all could send me a check that
would be great, HAHAHAHAHAHA. What would you all think about a move?
I really like the yahoo site, it has its ups and downs, but for
somthing I myself don't have to maintain, its great.

Chris McKillip

C.S. McKillip
Ericson 33

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/18/2005 : 15:28:54

I am very dissappointed that there is no reference to our efforts to provide support for the Capri 25 at our site. There is no mention of joining us as an option.
The thread seems to focus on racers. We are about that and much more. It would seem my efforts and the efforts of our Commodore have been ignored. We have no agenda other than helping other sailors, I think it is a mistake to ignore our offer. Too bad.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 05/18/2005 15:30:10

existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 05/18/2005 : 18:39:08

Frank,

That seems a shame to me too and I don't know why they wouldn't look at that. Certainly seems like a better alternative. My first choice would be to combine the Capri 25 with this association. Alternatively, creating a new Capri25 national association on the core of the Yahoo group would be good too. Whether Catalina would recognize that or not, I don't know. The Capri group is pretty active with 38 members nationwide.
We trade and maintain quite a bit of information, files, tips etc. specific to the Capri 25.
I think the Capri25 group is vibrant and it would be a plus to both organizations to consider the merger.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 05/18/2005 : 19:24:11

I'm sure Catalina encourages the formation of national associations, but I've never seen any indication that they provide them any significant economic support. National associations will form and become strong and active if there is enough interest among the owners. In the absence of owner-interest, no amount of money or support contributed by Catalina would make any difference.

The same is true about the idea of bringing the Capri 25 folks into this association. If they aren't motivated to join us, there isn't much we can do about it. If they could be persuaded to "visit" our website, maybe they would see some benefits to joining us. Since they started visiting us, Chris and Rick seem to think we have a lot of common interests and needs.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 05/18/2005 19:26:07

dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/18/2005 : 19:29:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 ...Also If this is going to be a National site, I think that Catalina should be involved. It would give them exposure for the Capri 25 and just another boat to talk about. My thoughts are that Catalina does not make this boat anymore, and so its not important for them to stand behind this boat in OD racing...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Chris,

What kind of involvement are you looking for from Catalina Yachts with respect to a "National site"?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/18/2005 : 21:31:00

If they are recognized they would be granted space in and access to the Mainsheet.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 05/18/2005 21:33:20

Ericson33
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Response Posted - 05/20/2005 : 00:11:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Chris,

What kind of involvement are you looking for from Catalina Yachts with respect to a "National site"?
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1. I would like to have a link on the Catalina page to the site.
2. I would like to share tips or ideas about the boat in Mainsheet
3. I would like to have access to Mainsheet.
4. I would like to have a group of Capri 25 owners that would want to be included in a National OD Class, Pay dues, get a letter every month that has the information discussed on the fourm the month before.

I am the Webmaster for Windycrest Sailing club, we have a mail out every month about the club, and meetings that took place. This letter would not be mailed out but a online PDF that could be printed out at someones leasure. I am not asking Catalina to pay or sponsor any event or website. The money is not an issue with me.

I just want to create a place where all the Capri 25 owners could go for information about the boat, races, regattas, and national events. I don't think that this place should be a part of WYC, It need to be seperate just like the National site was, Altho it was all about WYC and premoting the National Regatta at WYC.

I have bought the url www.capri25.com, I do have the space to create a forum, website, information page, ect, ect. I knew that the Catalina 25/250 group did or was in the process of talking to WYC about the merger of the two groups. I really like the yahoo group, but I dont think that Catalina will give us a link to it on there main web site. Personally I have heard nothing from WYC, No email, no phone call nothing. They didn't ask me if I wanted to put in the 66.00 to keep the site up. Our members at Yahoo will be glad to make a move in the right direction.

I had posted this information to let you all know what was going on with the www.capri25.net web site. I had no one tell me when or what to do with the Yahoo web site fourm, I just did it, For one it does give OUR members to upload thier own files to share and thier own Photos to share. I dont want to have someone over my sholder telling me what I can post or not. The great thing about the Yahoo site is that it does give OUR members the Freedom to Upload and share what they want to.

At this point I am going to forward the www.capri25.com address to the Yahoo site. My hosting company has the fourms already to go, it will only take me a day to get it up and going. I don't know if this is what the Capri yahoo members want. It is up to them not me. I created the site to join together all of the Capri 25 owners all over the country Not just WYC. You could say that We already are the UnOffical National Website for the Capri 25. I do thank you on this matter,
Chris McKillip

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/20/2005 : 00:49:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Chris,

What kind of involvement are you looking for from Catalina Yachts with respect to a "National site"?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

1. I would like to have a link on the Catalina page to the site.
2. I would like to share tips or ideas about the boat in Mainsheet
3. I would like to have access to Mainsheet.
4. I would like to have a group of Capri 25 owners that would want to be included in a National OD Class, Pay dues, get a letter every month that has the information discussed on the fourm the month before.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Chris,

I would think that in order to have a link published on Catalina Yachts web site, the link would have to be for an established, viable National Organization.

As for participating in the Mainsheet, although the magazine says to submit material for publication through your Association Editor, it does say that it will consider unsolicted articles and photos.

Maybe you could join the Catalina Owners without Organized Association (IACA). Being a member of this organization would allow you access to the Mainsheet magazine.

Good luck in your efforts.

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