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Initially Posted - 05/25/2005 : 14:56:03

After 10 months of restoring this boat We are about ready to splash! (We still have a lot left to do but nothing we cant do in the slip) So Sunday my wife and I decided to rig it, see if we had all of the parts. We first tried the method decribed in the Catalina manuel "one crew pull on the forestay while the other one lifts". When I think back how it must have looked, my 100# wife pulling on the forestay, I am glad we were in the yard instead of the boat slip! So we got on line checked out Tech Tips, built an A frame and got it up. My first Question why do I have two forestays?

Next question is there any place I can find out the size and lenght of the running rigging.

Thanks again for all of the help I have recived since starting this project. Its looking pretty good, now all I have to do is learn how to sail it!

Clay C

Kamalla 1980 C25 SK/TR

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/25/2005 : 16:04:35

You should only have 1 forestay
2 upper shrouds that connect through the spreaders
4 lower shrouds - 2 forward and 2 aft
and one backstay

There are, however 2 pins on the masthead on the forward side, only the inner of the two pins should have a shroud attached.

Usually, if you bring the rigging into a shop, they will duplicate it.

If you have more than that, something is wrong or has been seriously modified. Just out of curiosity, which a-frame did you build - can you post the link.

dw

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Response Posted - 05/25/2005 : 16:05:45

Next question is there any place I can find out the size and lenght of the running rigging. - Clay

Hi Clay,

Is this what you need? It is from the old version of the C-25 manual:

RIGGING SPECIFICATION SCHEDULE C-25

STANDARD RIG

NOTE - MAST EXTRUSION = 28' - 0" ------- BOOM EXTRUSION = 10' - 4"

Description ------ S.S. Wire Size ------ L = Length ------ No. Reqd
Main Halyard ------ 1/8" 7x19 ------ 27' - 8" ------ 1
Jib Halyard ------ 1/8" 7x19 ------ 29' - 2" ------ 1
Forestay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 29' -10" ------ 1
Single Backstay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 32' - 3" ------ 1
Split Backstay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 26' - 4" ------ 1
Backstay Bridle ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 5' - 8 1/2" ------ 2
Forward Lowers ------ 5/32" 1x19 ------ 14' - 5" ------ 2
Aft Lowers ------ 5/32" 1x19 ------ 14' - 7 1/4" ------ 2
Upper Shrouds ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 28' - 5 3/4" ------ 2

L = Eye to Eye for halyards
L = Eye to end of the threads for shrouds and stays

TALL RIG

NOTE - MAST EXTRUSION = 30' - 0" ------ BOOM EXTRUSION = 10' - 4"

Description ------ S.S. Wire Size ------ L = Length ------ No. Reqd
Main Halyard ------ 1/8" 7x19 ------ 27' - 8" ------ 1
Jib Halyard ------ 1/8" 7x19 ------ 29' - 2" ------ 1
Forestay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 31' -10" ------ 1
Single Backstay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 33' - 11 1/4" ------ 1
Split Backstay ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 28' - 2" ------ 1
Backstay Bridle ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 5' - 8 1/2" ----- 2
Forward Lowers ------ 5/32" 1x19 ------ 15' - 5" ------ 2
Aft Lowers ------ 5/32" 1x19 ------ 15' - 6 1/4" ------ 2
Upper Shrouds ------ 3/16" 1x19 ------ 30' - 6 1/2" ------ 2

All dimensions are approximate and subject to change

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Response Posted - 05/25/2005 : 16:59:56

Clay C,<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">My first Question why do I have two forestays?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Are you sure you have two forestays?

Or does one of them look suspiciously like a wire jib halyard? (Standing rigging is generally stiff 1x19 wire, where as wire halyards are more flexible, like 7x7 or 7x19.)

-- Leon Sisson

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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 11:54:17

I too have a dual forestay, and they are definitely forestays, not a halyard. My thought was that it was done in order to do a quick change of the jib. We are not rigged for a spinnaker. There are two halyards in addition to the main.

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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 15:58:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gambit
 I too have a dual forestay, and they are definitely forestays, not a halyard. My thought was that it was done in order to do a quick change of the jib. We are not rigged for a spinnaker. There are two halyards in addition to the main.
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Was your boat rigged when you got her? Is it possible the old owner gave you everything including old stays? I've never seen that on our boat... Not to say it doesn't exist.

dw

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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 16:42:06

I have a couple of pics if I can rember how to load themhttp://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db07b3127cce918435641d8000000010108BcMm7Jqzb0

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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 16:50:50

maybe this will work betterhttp://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5db07b3127cce918435781d9c00000016108BcMm7Jqzb0

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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 18:21:30

Seeing is believing ... that's the first double forestay I've seen on a C-25 ... hmmmmm

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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 18:32:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gambit
 I too have a dual forestay, and they are definitely forestays, not a halyard. My thought was that it was done in order to do a quick change of the jib. We are not rigged for a spinnaker. There are two halyards in addition to the main.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Was your boat rigged when you got her? Is it possible the old owner gave you everything including old stays? I've never seen that on our boat... Not to say it doesn't exist.

dw
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Yes, she was rigged and on the water.

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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 18:38:30

Hmm indeed, is that some sort of windlass hiding there as well?

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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 18:46:44

Nope no windlass. So what do you all think? an quick sail change Idea. This boat is set up with a spinaker. there are two Halyards up front.

Clay C

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Response Posted - 05/27/2005 : 00:14:53

Clay - be careful about using the rigging chart from the manual - I believe those lengths are for the cable half of the halyards, and do not include the rope part. Is this right Buzz? I just bought a '79 C25 and it has the rope/cable halyard configuration.

Paul

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Response Posted - 05/27/2005 : 07:42:25

There's a lot going on there, but my guess would be for a second jib. Did the DPO race her? If he did, he probably used that configuration to abuse his foredeck guy and make sail changes on the fly.

Tack to one side, raise the new sail inside the old, and drop the old sail after the next tack. He probably could have gotten away cheaper refitting his old sails and going with a tuff luff.

http://www.sparcraft.com/uk/products/headstay_system/default.asp

dw

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Response Posted - 05/27/2005 : 09:16:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pjeffarch
 Clay - be careful about using the rigging chart from the manual - I believe those lengths are for the cable half of the halyards, and do not include the rope part. Is this right Buzz? I just bought a '79 C25 and it has the rope/cable halyard configuration.

Paul
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Good catch Paul ... I think you're right ... I still use the old halyards, too.

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