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djscuba96
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Initially Posted - 06/08/2025 :  20:53:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello, does anyone have a rigging sheet, picture, or plan for a solo setup for a 1984 Std mast with lead keel? I recently bought a decently clean boat, but the lines are trash and seemed to have been setup for some serious racing. I just want the most basic, simple layout to cruise with. Not trying to tack crazy or even get it moving fast. I just want the least number of lines. I have cars for the main and a roller furling.

OLarryR
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Response Posted - 06/09/2025 :  06:10:28  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The manuals linked on the left of this page has within it some very basic setups for the pre-88 boats. It may help. You can also try using the Search function (at top right of this screen) on "rigging", then go back eons. I went back 5 pages of messages and found one topic that may have some info that is beneficial to you. It was a topic/message titled "How Do You Run Your Lines?". I have the link below. Open the link and scroll down to DavidBuoy's posting - It contains a sketch of his rigging on an '85 swing keel Catalina but probably same rigging. Well....I am mostly indicating same rigging regarding the main sheet running rigging. The halyards, he shows running to the cabin/cockpit, which many of us may have done the same/similar mod. The sketch also shows reef lines to the main sail. I believe all main sails come with holes to facilitate reefing the main sail but for someone trying to figure out the basic running rigging, I would address rigging for reefing the main some time later, after you get your basic running rigging squared away. Coincidentally, if you scroll down further, there is a photo of my boat ('89) but believe the main sheet running rigging and jib/Genoa running rigging was also similar.


By the way, your title was "...Standard Rigging" but I am assuming you are talking about standard "running" rigging. The thing is that back in those days, the Catalina's utilized halyards with wire. I am not knowledgeable on that original setup but the manuals indicate the dimensions, etc when you access the appropriate pages. I believe most boats of that vintage no longer use that setup. I am pretty sure there are others that have boats of your vintage and can assist better with what is appropriate these days...but likely it is going to be similar to what is indicated in the post '88 manuals.

Okay - Time for Dave Bristle to correct what I have probably misstated. LOL

By the way, I do not believe the original setups included a boom vang but many of us have added it. My website probably has photos showing mine but I believe the link I provided, also shows running rigging with a boom vang.


https://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30485&SearchTerms=rigging
Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html
Edited by - OLarryR on 06/09/2025 06:26:18
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/09/2025 :  14:25:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's a link to a drawing and parts list for the original main sheet and traveler. Some owners have moved them to different locations, but the original design, not surprisingly, is the best compromise. It leaves the cockpit open and unobstructed and it is functional. Moving them forward to mid-cockpit is a little more functional, but it obstructs the cockpit and you'll find yourself stepping over it at times, especially if you have to run forward to take down or hoist or reef a sail. Moving it farther forward is even more problematic. With the factory setup you can reset the mainsheet and traveler for the new heading before you start the tack. Then put the tiller over, release the working jibsheet and pull in the lazy jibsheet to complete the tack. Meanwhile you steer with the tiller between the knees. Here's the link. https://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/manbro/pictures/pc10.gif

Probably the best modification you can make to the running rigging to make the boat a pleasure to singlehand is to lead the control lines (both halliards and reef lines and more if you wish) to the cockpit. It's really nice to be able to raise, lower and reef sails without having to leave the cockpit and climb to the coach roof, especially in a blow. Here's a link with photos that might be helpful. https://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/tt008.asp
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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djscuba96
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Response Posted - 06/09/2025 :  17:50:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you both. I found the owner’s binder. I’ll be going through it as well. Learning there is a lot of extra rigging hanging around the mast. From everything I see, the main sail halyard should be hoisting through the mast and not just on a pulley at the top. Is that right?
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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 06/09/2025 :  20:40:48  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage  Reply with Quote
On my '89, the mainsheet halyard travels thru the mast near the cabin deck where there is a block internal to the mast and then the line travels upward inside the mast to the block on top of the mast, then the line and shackle are outside the mast down to the main sail. If your mast has a block internal to the mast a short distance above the cabin top, then your halyard also travels up thru the mast. On the port side, the same holds true for the jib halyard, however, if you utilize a furling head sail such as with an IDE Furler, then your jib halyard is not utilized.

On below photo, you can see the main halyard going thru a turning block, then thru the mast internal block. You can also see the jib halyard on the port side that also goes uo thru the mast.
Larry
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http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html
Edited by - OLarryR on 06/09/2025 20:48:54
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/10/2025 :  05:53:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Larry's post reminded me that in the last year or two of production the halyards were internal, but until then, they were external. On your 1984 boat they would have originally been external, but a few owners converted them to internal halyards. If yours was converted to internal, there would be a hole cut in the base of the mast with sheaves installed for the lines to run on, and the lines would be led to the cockpit, as shown in the second link I provided above.
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Voyager
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Response Posted - 06/10/2025 :  06:57:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On Passage (hull 5032, 1985, standard keel, standard rig) I have standard 5/16” sheaves at the mast top and external halyards for the main and jib. The 4:1 mainsheet is attached to the top rail of the transom. I have an adjustable topping lift from the mast top to the aft end of the boom. No vang but I can tie on a preventer or a boom Cunningham if needed
One modification I added is a downhaul line to douse the mainsail if it sticks up in the sail track. I simply tied one end onto one of the topmost sail track slugs so I can pull the main down when needed. The other end runs through a block attached to the tabernacle at the base of the mast.
I have two reef points in the main, however, I only have one set rigged with reefing lines.
I’ve added a tiller-tamer to the tiller to allow me to leave the helm and move forward for a minute or two.
I subscribe to the old KISS philosophy. Keep it simple sailor!
Bruce Ross
Passage ~ SR-FK ~ C25 #5032

Port Captain — Milford, CT
Edited by - Voyager on 06/10/2025 07:02:49
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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 06/11/2025 :  05:40:53  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The pre-88 manuals indicate that wire was used for halyards.....at least that is what the drawings indicate. I was wondering how prevalent that is these days since I thought most boat owners utilize lines. I never have seen a boat with wire used for halyards or recall what if anything is needed to switch over to line other than just replacing one with the other. I believe the wire is 1/8' diameter whereas the line is a thicker diameter - The sheaves/blocks will take either?

Steve, you directly addressed the internal/external halyards directly. I sort of hinted at it by stating if the owner has blocks/sheaves on the mast down by the cabin deck - then internal halyard running up the mast. However, I was not aware that there are owners that may have actually switched over to internal halyards by cutting holes and adding sheaves. I guess that would have to be done versus replacing the mast. Just that I would not thought anyone would have actually performed the mod to their mast to change to internal halyards. Wow!!
Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html
Edited by - OLarryR on 06/11/2025 05:45:24
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/11/2025 :  12:19:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Larry, I wouldn't have done the modification, but there are folks whose skills and courage are beyond mine. Also, I struggle to see enough practical benefit to justify the conversion. Converting to all rope halyards, on the other hand, make sense. The wire halyards jump off the sheaves occasionally and create a problem that all rope halyards eliminate.
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 06/13/2025 :  06:16:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Up through at least 1985, external wire-to-rope halyards were standard. Many if not most owners have changed over to all-rope (5/16" is normal), which requires replacing the four original mast-head sheaves (which by now would be trashed anyway). Catalina Direct has everything needed.

Later vintages that had internal halyards have only two sheaves at the mast-head.
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 06/13/2025 :  06:38:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My boat has external "all-rope" halyards that are external, e.g. do not run inside the mast. And as Dave says the sheaves need to be inspected often and replaced periodically.
Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT
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