Association Forum - 31' luff on a spinnaker to big?

Assn Members Area · Join

Home.

Association Forum

Ships Store

Cruising

Racing

Technical Tips

Photo Gallery - New

Boat Search - Updated

Manuals & Brochures

Swap Meet

Links

Officer Flag Line & Staff

Bylaws & Constitution

Members Area

Join the Association

Notice:
The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.

Association Forum

Username:	Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

All Forums

Catalina/Capri 25/250 Sailor's Forums

Catalina 250 Specific Forum

31' luff on a spinnaker to big?

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Author

Topic

CJRoxs
Navigator

Member Avatar

USA
114 Posts

Initially Posted - 11/24/2013 : 18:02:58

I want to get a spinnaker for my 250 and was wondering what is a standard symmetrical spinnaker. I have a used one available at the local sail loft with a 31' luff. I know sail rules allow up to a 29' luff.

S/V Lily
1995 Catalina 250WB
Honda 9.9 Four Stroke
RCYC
Portland, OR

Edited by - on

Ian Brisbane
1st Mate

Members Avatar

Australia
37 Posts

Response Posted - 11/24/2013 : 22:13:56

Hi CJ

My Symmetrical has a 32 foot luff and 18 foot "foot" my spin pole is 3.3m or 10foot 10inches
Symmetrical No2 51sqm 9.8Luff 9.8Leach 5.52Foot 5.66 HTN (cloth)

Edited by - on

Ian Brisbane
1st Mate

Members Avatar

Australia
37 Posts

Response Posted - 11/24/2013 : 23:19:12

Hi Mate

out of interest what rules say a 29 foot luff? is that a class rule or just a J length of 9 feet calculation

Edited by - on

CJRoxs
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
114 Posts

Response Posted - 11/25/2013 : 00:07:31

In the "Catalina 250 International class racing rules". Bottom of page 5. I would post a link but it is a PDF. Type into Google what's between the quotes and it will be the top link.

Edited by - on

Ian Brisbane
1st Mate

Members Avatar

Australia
37 Posts

Response Posted - 11/25/2013 : 00:28:20

Ta thanks for that, will have a read- mind you I think there are only two or three of us in the whole if QLD and I have never seen them! Hope you enjoy your spinnaker, if you want I can take some pics on how we have it rigged without any permanent holes in your deck

Edited by - on

Ian Brisbane
1st Mate

Members Avatar

Australia
37 Posts

Response Posted - 11/25/2013 : 00:34:30

Ok mine is a tall rig so I am allowed 32 feet. Wahoo lucky me , when I race myself I'll be class legal :)

Edited by - on

CJRoxs
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
114 Posts

Response Posted - 12/02/2013 : 08:08:51

Ian,

Rigging isn't a problem. I'm still deciding on assym or sym. Thanks for your offer.

I'm not worried about racing so much as functionality but over powering and safety is a concern

CJ

Edited by - on

Ian Brisbane
1st Mate

Members Avatar

Australia
37 Posts

Response Posted - 12/04/2013 : 16:18:04

Hi CJ

Re overpowering, We get overpowered when flying the kite shy in about 10knots true. however the benefit of a symmetrical is we can go a safer deeper angle at much higher wind speed and still have control. Disadvantages include trying to fly the symmetrical with just two on board, it is challenging but not impossible in 10knots and above and you have to be prepared to run around like chooks to get it set up but once you are going its all fun!. Having said that I have avoided putting it up at times if my crew for the day have limited experience where with an Assy I probably would have done it.

In regards to simplicity though, I understand the Assy would be much much easier to handle with just yourself or with two on board. the only problem I think and others may tell me i'm wrong is that with an assym you are always running shallower angles and to me that's where the 250 comes unstuck as soon as you get that load coming from the side she heels and you go straight to windward. the same as when I fly my kite shy.

So to me the disadvantage of an assy is only being able to use it in lighter winds and losing the ability to run deeper with the boat flatter. Being able to head deep has been a good safety valve for us to either avoid a gust or give us time to get the sock over the kite, or just get the kite behind the main to blanket it a bit.

As always it is what you are going to use it for that should determine which way to go. If I was just about cruising and colour I would go an Assy ( which technically should be faster anyway) If I wanted to get the full range and experience on how to handle a Kite go symmetrical and enjoy the bowmans dance!

hope that helps, cheers Ian

Edited by - on

CJRoxs
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
114 Posts

Response Posted - 12/08/2013 : 09:00:40

Ian,

Thanks for the info. It sounds like I should stay with the asymmetrical as I like to go solo or with just the wife.

Now the question is where to get the best deal. I guess I'll start at the boat show after the holidays.

CJ

Edited by - on

britinusa
Web Editor

Members Avatar

USA
5404 Posts

Response Posted - 12/15/2013 : 05:14:08

FYI: Look in the By-laws & Constitution link (top left corner menu of this page)

I'm guessing that at some point the pages will have to be updated. The C250 page makes reference to 1986!!!

Paul

Edited by - on

TakeFive
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

2269 Posts

Response Posted - 12/15/2013 : 05:36:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 FYI: Look in the By-laws & Constitution link (top left corner menu of this page)

I'm guessing that at some point the pages will have to be updated. The C250 page makes reference to 1986!!!

Paul
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The 250 link erroneously points to the 25 page. [url="http://catalina-capri-25s.org/racing/c250rules.asp"]This is the right page[/url], and it makes no reference to 1986.

Edited by - on

britinusa
Web Editor

Members Avatar

USA
5404 Posts

Response Posted - 12/17/2013 : 17:10:51

Thanks Rick, fixed.

Paul

Edited by - on

Topic

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Jump To:

Association Forum

Notice: The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.