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newell
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Initially Posted - 06/10/2007 :  18:08:23  Show Profile
I want to purchase some "Winchers" for my C25 but I forgot to measure the winch diameter. I have to have that in order to know which Wincher size to purchase. My boat is 3 hours away! Does anyone know the diameter of the factory winches? Has anyone order Winchers from West Marine and knows the size that they ordered? Help!!

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Greg S
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Response Posted - 06/10/2007 :  20:10:14  Show Profile
Newell,

Mine are Lewmar 7 single speed and the diameter at
the base is 4 inches.
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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 06/11/2007 :  15:37:46  Show Profile
The Wincher instructions state what model whinch they will fit. If you'r not sure, and given your distance from the boat, buy a few different sizes and return the ones you don't use.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 06/11/2007 :  18:00:29  Show Profile
Also be aware that 1/2" sheets don't work in whatever size is right for the factory winches. (Guess how I know.) 3/8" is probably OK.
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cks
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Response Posted - 06/11/2007 :  19:30:11  Show Profile
i could never get mine to work. if anyone has any tips i'd appreciate it.
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newell
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Response Posted - 06/11/2007 :  19:35:59  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cks</i>
<br />i could never get mine to work. if anyone has any tips i'd appreciate it.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I had winchers on my Catalina 22 and they worked wonderfully.
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cks
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Response Posted - 06/11/2007 :  19:49:18  Show Profile
i put two wraps around the winch (lewmar 7) then around the wincher and then grind. the line would override every time. what was i doing wrong?
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newell
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Response Posted - 06/11/2007 :  20:58:28  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cks</i>
<br />i put two wraps around the winch (lewmar 7) then around the wincher and then grind. the line would override every time. what was i doing wrong?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My technique was to wrap twice, grind and then tail around the wincher. I do remember overwraps at times but not often.

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Response Posted - 06/11/2007 :  23:08:39  Show Profile
The idea is that the underside of the Wincher is supposed to act like a self-tailer (if you have enough wraps), and then you're supposed to stick the tail in the groove after you've trimmed. I never got it to work as advertised.
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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 06/12/2007 :  05:17:40  Show Profile
Contact WM. I have used the Winchers for many years for both racing and cruising. They are good for tacking quickly during a race which means sometimes in tight situations we could go quickly sometimes with out much of a preparatory call (this is an other story). They are used on all four winches and have never slipped (several knock downs). We use 3 wraps and solved the over wrap by making sure the feed line comes in at the lower part of the winch (placement of the car with a fair lead). Like Dave says 1/2" lines are too big. The boat still has the Lewmar 7's and the orginal sheets. The sun is what is tough on the Norwegian rubber so covers are mandatory.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 06/12/2007 :  09:47:49  Show Profile
I had winchers on the C22 and hated them because I could never get them to work properly. As soon as we started racing I threw them away...
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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 06/13/2007 :  12:32:39  Show Profile
Another Urban Myth

One is NOT supposed to use the groove on the top of the wincher for anything. The right way to work it is to do a few wraps on the winch and start tailing and cranking with the winch handle. The line moves up the winch and the bottom of the top part ctahces the line. I used them for 10 years on our C25 and except for light winds (rare here) they worked just fine without having to cleat the sheets off anywhere.
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cks
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Response Posted - 06/13/2007 :  20:09:48  Show Profile
doe it matter where you put the first wraps -do you start at the bottom for the initial wraps? also, do you tail with one hand while cranking with the other?
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Response Posted - 06/13/2007 :  21:25:18  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Another Urban Myth
One is NOT supposed to use the groove on the top of the wincher for anything.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

"The simple operation works when the line is sheeted under load causing the coils to climb up the drum and are then gripped by the underside of the rubber body. When the sail is trimmed, cleating is achieved by locking the line into the ribbed groove."

Urban myth true.
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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 06/16/2007 :  01:13:56  Show Profile
I hear ya, Dave. Drats, I finally read the directions and they're wrong.
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