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OJ
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Initially Posted - 07/15/2010 : 10:32:04

Okay, you guys have me psyched up (or psyched out) about water accumulating in outboard fuel tanks.

Anyone ever use this brand/model?

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=6446

Anyone know the ID of the fuel line leading from the Yamaha external fuel tank?

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Response Posted - 07/15/2010 : 12:54:25

OJ,

I installed that very model this past spring. I think it's just the right size for the smaller outboards our boats have. I also like the see-through canister to visually check for water/sediment. I have the '82 with the fuel locker open to the cockpit rather than inside the lazarette. I installed the filter on the aft wall of the fuel locker, out of the way, but easily accessible. I just realized that I started every sentence with "I". I wonder why I did that? I wish I could stop.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2010 : 19:16:36

Racor is the only way to go.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2010 : 19:22:06

I haven't had a bit of trouble with Racor. I replace the cartridge every year. I second that motion!

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Response Posted - 07/15/2010 : 19:37:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tom Gauntt
 . . . I installed the filter on the aft wall of the fuel locker . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thanks Tom, I was going to install mine in the same location. How large is your fuel tank? Was it a squeeze?

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Response Posted - 07/15/2010 : 19:38:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Voyager
 . . . I replace the cartridge every year . . . <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Wow, only once a year - that's nice to know.

Edited by - OJ on 07/16/2010 01:15:37

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Response Posted - 07/15/2010 : 21:01:14

Bruce--your Racor is about four times the size of that one--way oversized for the engine (as recommended by a mechanic). You can probably get a few years on the cartridge--just eyeball it.

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Response Posted - 07/15/2010 : 21:10:25

BTW, a suggestion I picked up about Racor filters (or at least some models): When installing the filter, wipe a little grease on the gasket. That'll make it much easier to unscrew the "container" the next time.

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Response Posted - 07/16/2010 : 14:25:47

OJ,

It actually fits very nicely. I have a 6 gallon tank that has the handle toward one end which gives me a little more room for the filter. I tried a couple different ideas before I settled with adding a short length of new fuel line (18" or so) from the tank to the filter inlet, I then connected the original fuel line to the outlet side of the filter. The breakthrough came when I decided to use 90 degree brass fittings on the filter body rather than the straight barbed fittings. There's plenty of room to connect/disconnect the tank and to slide the tank out for transport/filling etc. The nicest thing is that everything is out of the way and out of the sunlight. I'll try to get a picture when I get back in town.

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Response Posted - 07/16/2010 : 17:41:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tom Gauntt
 . . . I'll try to get a picture when I get back in town . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thanks Tom. Sounds like you gave positioning a lot of thought. Our Yamaha tank is a whopping 3 gallons - but when we take the boat on vacation - we'll want to at least double that.

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Response Posted - 07/20/2010 : 20:58:00

OJ,

I finally made it back home and got a few pictures of my fuel filter setup today. Here's what I did:

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Response Posted - 07/21/2010 : 03:38:13

Sweet.. thanks for posting that.. As usual, I see something in the image that made me realize I was doing something stupid.... I've had my gas primer bulb in the locker, so I'd have to open the locker when it needed priming. Just think.. with it laying on the deck you can just step on it and it primes.

Seems the process to enlightenment for me is.. get it done, take a picture of it, look at the picture ( or post it here ), and see a better way..

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Response Posted - 07/21/2010 : 05:02:50

Thanks Tom, I wasn't wild about a single mounting screw initially but I suppose it's better for the unit to swivel if the fuel tank would shift against it. Ideal gas tank for this application! Have you had to empty water from the filter so far this season? Is that teflon tape on the threads of the brass fittings?

Edited by - OJ on 07/21/2010 05:43:47

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Response Posted - 07/21/2010 : 05:08:01

The 90 degree elbow fittings really made the difference. Once I figured out how I wanted to mount the filter, it only took about 15 minutes and one beer. Of course, I had three beers with me, so I took my time...
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What is the part number for this filter? Is it the one in the link above with a pid=6446

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Response Posted - 07/21/2010 : 05:40:22

Depending on the vendor - the key numbers are 025RAC02

Becareful not to order the 025RAC05 as it does not separate the water from the fuel. I think it may even be a throw-away.

Here's the cheapest source I found - so far:

http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/62-025RAC02.htm

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Response Posted - 07/21/2010 : 06:12:03

OJ,

That's a great price for this filter. I think I paid close to $70 for mine after doing some research on prices... wish I'd found this place!

Like most Racor products, this filter is well-made and heavy duty even for its small size. I've been very pleased with it and at the $49 price point you found would recommend it without hesitation. One thing that isn't obvious from the photos is, on the back of the filter case (the aluminum part) is small nub that sticks out from the otherwise flush back. What I did was drill one hole the size of the nub (about a 1/4 inch diameter) in the back of the fuel locker. I put the nub in the newly drilled hole, leveled the filter and marked for another hole for the self-tapping SS screw. The SS screw holds the filter on and the nub keeps the filter from moving around. I hope that explanation makes sense... it's obvious when you look at the filter.

I have NOT had to empty water out of the filter this season which makes me a little sad... I think it means I haven't been using the boat enough. I'll echo your point about the filter element: there are two filter element types, one for water and sediment (the Aquabloc) and a simple paper element for just sediment. Since the whole idea was protect against water, I went with the more expensive Aquabloc filter.

As to question about teflon tape on the brass fittings, no it isn't. I think (not sure here) that gasoline and teflon tape do not play well together for very long. I think petroleum based products break down teflon over time leaving a leaky mess. Again I'm not sure why, but I think teflon tape is not really a sealant... it simply reduces friction allowing you to draw the connection tighter. I could be totally wrong. What I went with was pipe thread sealant with teflon in it. Works great, lasts a long time, $1.99 at Ace Hardware:

Ray, I wish I was clever enough to take credit for moving the primer bulb outside the locker, but like most things in my life, I simply took the path of least resistance. When I replumbed the fuel lines, I simply disconnected the existing fuel line from the tank connector fitting and moved it to the filter fitting. It just worked out that the bulb is now in the location where it is!

Edited by - Tom Gauntt on 07/21/2010 06:35:34

OJ
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Response Posted - 07/21/2010 : 07:11:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tom Gauntt
 . . . I have NOT had to empty water out of the filter this season ... I think it means I haven't been using the boat enough<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Actually I thought others here have said water accumulates in the fuel tank when the boat sits idle. Maybe we've been had!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> As to question about teflon tape on the brass fittings, no it isn't. I think (not sure here) that gasoline and teflon tape do not play well together . . . <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That was a leading question Tom, sorry. I know Teflon tape is not compatible with gasoline. One of the manufacturer's techs said there shouldn't be a need for sealant on the threads - but they tell people they can use tape starting 2 or 3 threads from the end so customers can have a false sense of comfort. I was a little suprised he shared that last part with me! Hah!

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