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JanS48
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Initially Posted - 09/07/2018 :  20:35:20  Show Profile
Greetings everyone.
I've been a very happy owner of my 82 C25 for the past few years. It's easy to sail and goes faster than I expected in light air.

That said, I have a chance to purchase a C27 of the same year with a diesel inboard for around 5k, the boat appears to be in very good condition and comes with two sets of sails and many extras.

Can anyone compare the C25 to the C27 ?
Things to watch out for? Any hidden "gotchas" ?

Thanks in advance.
Jan
82 C25 SR FK
Sailing out of Newport Harbor.

Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 09/07/2018 :  21:16:52  Show Profile
I have owned a C-25 and done some sailing (even overnight cruising) on somebody else's C-27, and they are different boats. The C-25 is designed to be "transportable"--inside of wide-load limits and available with a swing or (later) wing keel for trailerability. The C-27 forgets about all that and provides more beam and interior headroom (although the v-berth just might be a little smaller). Sailing performance in my estimation is pretty even--with the C-25 tall rig having an edge in light-to-moderate conditions, and the C-27 leading in heavier air and sea conditions.

The inboard (either diesel or gas) is a plus and a minus... a plus for pushing through big chop, and a minus for maintenance and (eventual) replacement. You don't face the prospect of the prop coming out of the water in big chop.

I would triple my recommendation for a professional survey of a C-27 with an inboard, compared to my regular recommendation for the potential purchase of a C-25. Even if it convinces you to walk away, it can be the best $??? you spent on the boat. $5K is the kind of number that could be a third or less of what you'll need to make a C-27 a safe, reliable, re-sellable boat. Let a professional tell you where you would stand, and possibly use his assessment to influence your final price. (In other words, you can make an offer that's contingent on a survey, as you would with a house.)
Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/08/2018 07:41:43
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Voyager
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Response Posted - 09/08/2018 :  14:26:05  Show Profile
Just taking a look at several C-27s on line and as Dave said, prices are somewhere around $12-18k depending on year, outfitting, outboard or inboard. So $5K is too good to be true unless there is an underlying issue: owner may need to sell ASAP due to relo or illness or divorce... Could be there’s a constant, nagging problem like a mostly dead engine, leaky prop shaft, a loose keel or bad osmosis. Could be bad mold affecting the owner’s health. You really can’t tell without hiring a marine surveyor or a boatyard mechanic from a local marina.
Bruce Ross
Passage ~ SR-FK ~ C25 #5032

Port Captain — Milford, CT
Edited by - Voyager on 09/08/2018 14:26:59
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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 09/09/2018 :  08:26:06  Show Profile
I have been looking at C-27 (and others) as a potential replacement to Limerick and the $5k price is a typical price for a fair to good condition, early to mid-80's boat. Most I have seen in that price range ($3,500 - $7,000) needed cosmetic TLC, at least one sail replaced, and had older (read should replace) standing rigging. Engines were original (all I looked at had diesel) and had no record of hours, so one must assume coming to end of useful life sans a rebuild. I agree that to get back into bristol shape will end up costing $12-$18k, but if someone wants to move up and either do work over time or enjoy a few seasons "as is" that price sounds about right. Yes, get a survey so you know what you are getting into and/or can walk away if deck core or keel bolt issues, other high cost problems etc., etc., are identified.

Incidentally it appears to me that prices of just about all used boats built prior to 1990 have gone way down this year. C-30's in good condition and with diesel's are plentiful at @$10k Pearson 30's and Tartan 30's for even less. Have also seen several C-34's -- all 1986 (year they used a compression post vs keel stepped mast) for @$20k. Not sure if the price depression is because of aging baby boomer owners getting rid of toys or changing tastes to more contemporary open transom designs. However, it appears to be a buyers market for those who know what they want and have patience.
Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 09/09/2018 :  08:54:16  Show Profile
John Vigor's book "Twenty Small Sailboats to Take You Anywhere " speaks on Catalina 27's in chapter 8 and states the tall rig , outboard to be the most desirable. Even on the west coast of Canada here you see them come up on craigslist for $7,000. - $10,000 often , where as Catalina 25's are much less common and a lot more expensive for that reason , coming up in the Seattle area usually.
Angus
S.V.Tempus
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1984 Catalina 25 SK/SR/Trad.
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islander
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Response Posted - 09/10/2018 :  13:37:46  Show Profile
How could you possibly go wrong..https://longisland.craigslist.org/boa/d/1978-catlina-27-sailboat/6676494833.html
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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DavidBuoy
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Response Posted - 09/11/2018 :  09:45:40  Show Profile
Is that a different keel? or is it the wing?

Captain Rob & Admiral Alyson
"David Buoy"-1985 C25 SK/SR #5053
Edited by - DavidBuoy on 09/11/2018 09:46:56
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/11/2018 :  11:10:20  Show Profile
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Originally posted by DavidBuoy

Is that a different keel? or is it the wing?


That looks like a Scheel Keel, a 1960 design by Henry Scheel. The Scheel Keel is a wing like bulb on the bottom of a fin keel. It's purpose is to put more weight down low on the keel, permitting a shallower draft. The idea gave rise to the bulb keel. I've never seen one on a Catalina. I suspect it's a replacement. The boat looks beautiful for its age and price.

For comparison, here's a photo of a Scheel keel.
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
Past Commodore
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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 09/11/2018 :  22:52:23  Show Profile
Ya, I've never seen that keel on a C-27--it's a little like a wing, without its hydrodynamic benefits. But the standard C-27 fin draws only 4', like the C-25 fin. I'm not aware that a wing was offered until the C-270, which was sorta like the C-250 is to the C-25. (I think it's pretty "rare".)
Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/11/2018 22:55:43
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dasreboot
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Response Posted - 09/12/2018 :  10:44:24  Show Profile  Visit dasreboot's Homepage
there are catalina 27 wing keels. not very common though. looking up online, c27s were offered with a shoal draft keel of the scheel keel type with a 3 foot 3" draft.
Todd Lewis
Eowyn 87 TR/WK C25 #5656
ARWEN 84 TR/SK C25 #4031
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Edited by - dasreboot on 09/12/2018 10:48:14
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