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AADIVER
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Initially Posted - 12/16/2005 : 20:14:01

Shopping for a long shaft electric, I was tipped to www.onlineoutboards.com Just ordered the 9.8 hp 25" shaft electric for a total of $1,949.99, free shipping and no sales tax, delivery in 5-14 days. Anyone else bought from this online site?

Frank Farmer
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 : 21:20:40

I think you'll be pleased. Charlie has this motor on his C250 and its quiet and powerfull. Plus the shaft is plenty long enough. Lots of our members have used online outboards. What pitch prop did you order? Let me know how it works out. This is going to be my next motor if my classic Honda 8 HP ever dies (not likely). I see they have 6" 7" 7.5" and lots more higher speed pitched props. Obviously we can't go very fast but a medium pitch probably offers better mpg (although less thrust especially backing)

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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/16/2005 : 21:43:47

I switched to the lowest pitch prop they have.6.5? With it I can still only get 4950 rpm at WOT. The operating range of the motor is 5000-6000. With the stock prop 7.5? It would only get 4460 rpm at WOT. I have not noticed any differance in fuel economy. I get 5 knots at 3200 rpm. I feel better knowing that the engine is geared properly now. I am bugging Nissan to come up with a power prop with 4 blades like the Honda has. They say they are working on one......We'll see.

Also, I ordered from Online OB. No problems.

Tom.

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 : 01:24:51

"What pitch prop did you order?"

Never occured to me to ask and the salesman didn't give me a choice, so I guess I'll get the stock item. Pitch, smitch, does degree of pitch really make significant difference in performance, i.e. speed, fuel economy, etc.?

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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 : 01:53:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by FARMHAND
[br}...Pitch, smitch, does degree of pitch really make significant difference in performance, i.e. speed, fuel economy, etc.?
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For me it did...When I switched to a lower pitched/larger diameter power prop, my top end speed decreased while my fuel consumption increased significantly. It was like I was stuck in first gear.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 : 08:27:54

The prop pitch is a choice. The design of the prop on the Nissan is of a high speed type. The blades are raked aft and are fairly small. I suspected when I installed mine that the pitch was too high. The engine seemed would not increase speed after half throttle.

I went out and bought a tachometer. With the stock prop (7.5) the engine would only rev to 4400 rpm at full throttle. The engine was not reaching it's operating rpm of 5000-6000.

I bought a 6.5 pitch prop after consulting online outboards and have been happy with the results. The rpm is now 4960 @ full throttle.

The engine is so quiet that the additional rpm does not sound louder. The engine seems to run smoother as well. The fuel economy seems to be fine as well. I have run the engine for 35 hours since the prop change and the fuel burn is about .8 gph at full throttle.

It really is a personal choice when it comes to props. I wanted the engine to reach its max operating range at full throttle. There are some benefits to running higher rpms with more cooling water and more oil pressure. I now have a spare prop to carry aboard. That is another reason to change the prop.

I hope this helps.

Tom.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 : 11:36:15

I recently purchased a Tohatsu 3.5 hp 2 stroke dingy motor from Online, and found them great to work with. I got one of the last ones available, due to new EPA rules.
For my 25 I have the 8hp Honda power thrust extra long shaft electric start model. Great motor, except it's really heavy, with the added weight of electric start and extra long shaft.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 : 11:46:35

Frank,
You'll love the motor but will have to come to terms with the tilt mechanism...at least I did. I've since resolved the problem with a trottle control cable for a lawn mower

@ $7.00. Now why didn't they think of that

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Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 : 12:51:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tinob
 Frank,
You'll love the motor but will have to come to terms with the tilt mechanism...at least I did. I've since resolved the problem with a trottle control cable for a lawn mower

@ $7.00. Now why didn't they think of that

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Val on the hard DAGNABIT
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Val, could you be more specific about the tilt problem and how you solved it; perhaps a pic or two? Thanks.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 : 15:29:56

Val,
are you referring to some tilt problem with the 3.5Tohatsu, or the Honda 8?
I'm so confused

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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/17/2005 : 15:32:37

I would love a picture as well. I have the boat at the house this week working on the teak. I am servicing the outboard this week too. I was scratching my head the other day looking at the tilt lever. I already have 45 total hours. It adds up quick when you use the boat.

Tom.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 : 12:01:15

Farmhand,Hi,

The tilt mechanism on the 9.8 hp Nissan/Tohatsu is a small bent piece of 3/16" round stock that protrudes from the central portion of the moror near the down shaft, it has a smallish sponge rubber covering to protect us from sharp edges.
To tilt one must place the shift lever in forward, then grab the cowl hand grip at the rearmost portion of the cowl and while pulling forward there also grab the little tilt thingy raising or lowering it depending on which option you chose,tilt-up/tilt down. Usually while doing so the motor turns to starboard and the resulting pain low in your back tells you, "you did a stupid thing".
I took a throttle cable for a lawn mower and heated and bent the end of the cable spirally around the tilt lever, then secured the cable's outer sleeve to the bottom of the motor mount board with a piece of flat stock secured with a pair of screw into the board. The end of the throttle cable that I bought came with a lever that was designed to bolt to a tubular fixture(stern rail)and that moved either up or down, your choice. I chose to mount it conveniently to the sternrail's upright tube near the top. Though I may later shorten it and mount it to the motor itself. So to tilt I place the shift lever in forward, select the appropriate tilt direction and pull on the rear cowl handle and the click tells you that you're in.
Though it works it boggles the mind that the designers of such a great little four stroke couldn't devise a device the likes of the one used on the Johnson Sailmasters. Go figure.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936

Sorry I don't do pictures

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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 : 16:57:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tinob
 ...So to tilt I place the shift lever in forward, select the appropriate tilt direction and pull on the rear cowl handle and the click tells you that you're in...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You'd better patent your auto-tilt mechanism!...Good job Val!

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 : 17:54:30

Val, since I'm an engineering idiot, your explanation went right over my thick head; haven't a clue how you did it. Wouldn't a simple extention of the tilt level accomplish the same thing? Tell Santa you want a digital camera under the tree. A picture's worth a thousand words for a Luddite like me.

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sailorman
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Response Posted - 12/18/2005 : 22:28:58

I have a 2004 9.8 Nisson for the last year and a half. It is awkward to lock the motor in the up position although I don't find it difficult. You don't have to put the shift lever in "forward". It will raise in any gear. I put it in "neutral" ready to go when I need it again. At least that is how it has been working for me.

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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 10:21:29

Hi Ed,

The 2005 Nissan 9.8's are locked out for tilting in reverse and neutral, it comes this way from the factory. The manual depicts an adjustment that will allow tilt in neutral and forward but if you read Tom (ATGEP'S)description of how he did the conversion you might just leave it as is. I did. There is a pin located in either "A" position or "B" position. I'm not privy to where mine is at the moment. But in order for me to gain neutral it would require that I remove the pin from it's factory location and place it in the other location. I didn't think gaining neutral was worth the effort.

I have no problem with photography (I collect cameras, film as well as digital,)just with going through the rigamarole necessary to post on the forum. It wasn't always as complicated.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 20:36:49

I'm considering buying a Nissan 9.8, 25" shaft, electric start. There was a thread I read in archives about this motor and its short electrical wiring for hook up. A wiring extension was needed to hook up. Has this been corrected with the 2006 models? The tilt "problem" was also mentioned before. Is this a concern with a 1989 C25 or is this for all models? Thanks, Bill

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 23:57:00

The best deal for a Tohatsu (Nissan) 9.8 electric start long shaft is online: www.onlineoutboards.com The total price is $1,949.99, no tax, no delivery charge. Ask for Chris. the model # is MFS9.8A3EFUL. The nice thing about the 2006 is the throttle control is in front, not on the side. As to length of power cord, I'm assuming the one I've ordered will be long enough, but I'll check with Chris tomorrow to make sure.

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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 08:10:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by FARMHAND
[br}...Pitch, smitch, does degree of pitch really make significant difference in performance, i.e. speed, fuel economy, etc.?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

For me it did...When I switched to a lower pitched/larger diameter power prop, my top end speed decreased while my fuel consumption increased significantly. It was like I was stuck in first gear.
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Don, that makes sense. I also lost a lot of fuel economy with the change from the Honda 8 Classic to the 2001 and later Honda 8 high thrust. To be fair, the later Honda has an XLS which puts the foot deeper in the water for extra drag at trade for avoiding spinouts. And, the blade of the later Honda is a 4 blade afair with large blades...again, more drag.

More drag has to equate to more fuel use though as you point out... excess rpms can kill it as well and they are the result of simply going lower pitch without increasing the size of the prop as Tom points out below, he gets .8 gph at full throttle, which is twice the fuel burn as a Honda 8 Classic with stock prop.

Fuel burn rate is likely only important to the cruiser however. A lot of issues involved, some of them the change in character between a two and four stroke. For example on two strokes... running at lower rpm meant fouling but the four strokes enjoy a lower rpm as long as the engine is not lugging too much and increasing temperatures with inadequate coolent flow. Wide open on a valved engine increases stress and wear of the valve train and increased fuel burn which means more heat whereas the two strokes seemed to enjoy wide open as scavenging intake and exhaust was more efficient heat wise.

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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 18:45:44

just ran across this thread, is anyone fimilar with the Power tilt feature of the new Honda.

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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 22:29:20

This is my personal opinion, I cannot think of a situation where someone healthy enough to sail our boats would need the lift assist if they simply did their homework and bought an appropriate mount.

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Response Posted - 12/22/2005 : 09:30:36

Frank,

I'm seventy five years old and severely arthritic. There are times when writing my name leaves me speechless it's so distorted and unscrewing a pill box brings tears to my eyes,

but I can still set a genny and trim it without much problem.

My motor mount is a Garelick eight spring model that is up to the task to lift the Nissan/Tohatsu four stroke. That's not what some of us are bitching about here. The problem that we're having is tilting the little beasties

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936

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Response Posted - 01/01/2006 : 10:04:20

Hi,

I thank all that contribute to this forum.

Last week I ordered an electric start Nissan 9.8 Ultra long shaft 25" from a local dealer. $2,080.00, the dealer kicked in a Service manual for free. My decision to purchase locally; a)close to the Internet price, b)the local guys feel cheated when it comes to warranty (manufactures seldom covers all the repair cost). $85.00 more than the Internet seemed worth it to me, warranty runs out 2009. I will pay tax, 6% in PA. That brings me to $200.00 more less the service manual.

I don't know if this is true for Outboards but I was told internet sellers report sales to the state where the item is shipped, some states are going after tax on big ticket items.

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Response Posted - 01/01/2006 : 21:49:24

good job supporting your local guy. Especially if you live where there are few local guys.

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