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John P
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Initially Posted - 08/10/2005 : 07:12:39

So, I have the Mariner 9.9 long shaft. During my eventful sail last night. One thing I played with for longer than necessary was the outboard. 1st, it did not matter if the bracket was up or down, I could not tilt the motor all the way up to lock it into place on it's own tilt mechanism (mechanism works on shore!). 2nd, the best I could do without aux help was to tilt motor to the shallow drive setting, then raise the bracket. This still kept the last 8" of shaft/prop in the water. My solution was the tilt the motor as rfar up as possible, then raise the bracket up. I then pull the motor towards the bow, wedging the the aft stantion between the motor cover and the throttle. Lastly, I lash the motor inplace with a rope around the stantion, motor, back to the aft starboard cleat.

Anyone else have an issue like this? Seems like there has to be a better way. I have emailed the PO to see what he did differently.

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PZell
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 10:07:50

Not the exact issue. My 8hp 2stroke Mariner tilts ok and the bracket lifts it up fine. However, I do quite a bit of sailing in relatively high wind and lumpy conditions on SF Bay. At times I've looked back to see the outboard wobbling around back there pretty good. The bracket has even jumped out of locked up position. I now run a spare dockline to hold it firm. Put the eye of line in the aft cleat then around motor and back to the jib sheet cleat, as it is not normally used. I have clam cleats for the sheets.

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bear
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 10:24:42

I confess my Honda 8 has never been raised out of the water during sailing, Never seriously raced either. Unless your racing what's the big deal leaving the motor down in the water?

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bear
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 10:24:56

I confess my Honda 8 has never been raised out of the water during sailing, Never seriously raced either. Unless your racing what's the big deal leaving the motor down in the water?

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bear
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 10:27:37

I confess my Honda 8 has never been raised out of the water during sailing, Never seriously raced either. Unless your racing what's the big deal leaving the motor down in the water?

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John P
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 12:07:23

I can feel the drag alot, and the noise drives me crazy. Lastly, I like to fast :)

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bear
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 12:48:35

Don't know how I got three posts out of one reply, but anyway I don't understand what noise there is. My particular motor is not running when I'm sailing, the lower unit and prop are clean, and I would guess there is maybe 10-12" of the lower unit in the water. Nuff said. Time to sail.

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John P
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 14:13:14

Well, there it is. It's the sound of the lower unit in the water, with the water rushing past it. It makes a noisy racket. Besides, I like the idea of the clean sailing aspect.

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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 14:21:30

I had exactly the same problem with my Mariner 9.9 4-stroke (a spring was missing). Before the fix, I jammed a piece of wood between the motor and bracket which kept the motor in the tilt-up position.

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John P
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 14:41:38

My problem is that I can not get the motor to tilt up to it's fully tilted position. It is about 1/2" from the knotch. The bracket itself will lock into place, but the Outboard physically can not get locked into position because it hits the transom. I have to think of a remedy, or just accept the fact that I need to tie it up into place everytime I go out.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 15:20:43

"Outboard physically can not get locked into position because it hits the transom."

1) Try turning the outboard slightly to one side or the other... may/may not help.

2) Sandwich a piece of 1" material (more/less as needed) between your motor mount and the transom. That will extend it aft a bit. If done properly, it will help make your mount stronger too.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 19:17:59

To tilt my Honda 9.9 OB, I have to turn it as far to port as it will go. Otherwise, the OB tiller handle will hit the transom and it won't tilt far enough to lock into place.

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John P
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 07:34:50

I'm going to play with mine tonight and see what I can do. I am kicking myself for not checking this when it was on the cradle. Oh well, live and learn.

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DanM
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 08:08:54

I wish my new Nissan 9.8 looked like Frank Hopper's in his signature photos. It drags in the water on both tacks and wobbles a little. It looks scary enough that I attached an eye hook to the handle for a snap hook tether that ties off to the aft cleat just in case the lift bracket fails. (The former Merc 9.9 dragged on starboard.) The Nissan looks okay when taxiing in the harbor but almost submerges when it pushes the boat at 1/2 throttle 5 - 6k.

The bracket does not appear to have any provision for adjustment. On the project list is a taller board for the lift bracket, maybe 5". I'm thinking that raising the bracket on the transom would weaken things and leave holes to fill.
Anyone have other suggestions

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John P
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 08:22:44

I think I need to heed Bruce's advice and add some filler between the mount and the transom, so the motor sits further aft. But, this is something that will most likely wait until the boat is back on land.

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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 09:32:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bear
 I confess my Honda 8 has never been raised out of the water during sailing, Never seriously raced either. Unless your racing what's the big deal leaving the motor down in the water?
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You'll heel more with your motor submerged due to the extra drag.

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Response Posted - 08/12/2005 : 13:41:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DanM
 I'm thinking that raising the bracket on the transom would weaken things and leave holes to fill.
Anyone have other suggestions

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You can actually strengthen things by adding a piece of 1/2" Starboard between the bracket and the transom--covering the old holes (which you should fill with something but don't need to get fancy about). The board will spread the load against the fiberglass better than the bracket flanges do. I sealed the board to the the transom with some Life Caulk (like 4200). Just keep in mind that when you raise the bracket, the prop won't be as deep for going through chop.

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