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Mikec
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Initially Posted - 08/15/2005 :  22:43:58  Show Profile
I am looking into a C25. Had my heart set on it until I ran across a Oday 26 with a daggerboard. I have sailed on a C-25 with a swing keel and found it to be very stable.(my wife doesn't care for too much heel) Does anyone have an opinion on the difference between the stability of the two? Thank you
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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 :  09:21:05  Show Profile  Visit Leon Sisson's Homepage
A daggerboard in a 26' boat would be a bit unusual. Are you sure it's not a stub keel with centerboard? Yes a swing keel C-25 with standard rig is quite stable for a trailerable ballasted monohull. I'd about bet that your wife would quickly become accustomed to heeling with a bit of experience. I'd say it's one of those things like learning to ride a bike or drive a stick shift. What seemed at first to be an insurmountable obstacle becomes an unconcious habit with a bit of practice.

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John P
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 :  09:33:04  Show Profile  Visit John P's Homepage
My girlfriend was scared of the heel at first, but she is quickly getting accustomed to it. I tell her to be thankful that we are not on an E-Scow, where you want to have the boat a good heel and most of the time you are on the rail hiking out. But then again, that is a performance racing boat.
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 :  09:41:50  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Leon Sisson</i>
<br />...I'd about bet that your wife would quickly become accustomed to heeling with a bit of experience...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I'll take that bet...After a decade of sailing, I'm still patiently waiting for my wife to not have a major panic attack when we approach 5 degrees of heel!
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 :  16:57:24  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
The ODay 26 is a much nicer boat than the Catalina 25. The glass work is superior and the rigging better quality. The boat over all is more comfortable, (has head room), side decks to walk on, settees wide enough to sleep on, etc. Is it an anniversary model? The shoal draft keel with a centerboard is a very nice, trouble free design as well, I have always wondered why Catalina did not use it instead of the swing keel. You will never find the community we have here or the parts availability but if the ODay is a nice one I would recommend buying it. Your wife will particularly like the bridge deck, a lady can sit there on all tacks and never move, no being on the low side or way high on the high side. Martha sure wishes we had a bridge deck.





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atgep
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 :  20:06:30  Show Profile
I was looking pretty hard at one as well. I would counter that the rig is lighter than the one on 25. It only has single lowers. That is not ok in my book.

There are many other things great about this boat. I really like the cockpit and fit-finish. I doubt it sails as nice as our wonderful little boats.

Tom.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 :  21:38:46  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
I second Frank on the Oday - the headroom alone is worth it. I used to race an O'day 30. Much like the Catalina, its no racer, but the darn thing is very very seaworthy.

There are two problems that I've come acroos with the Oday's - twenty through about 32 foot models
1 - There is some problem with how the deck was joined to the hull. not all boats, but there has been some separation problems.
2. Much like our boats, the windows are really really leaky.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 :  20:29:04  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Purely in the spirit of appreciating the other nice affordable 25 on the used market; I give you the ODay 25. It is not as nice as the 26 that replaced it but it is a pretty, well thought out, capable boat. (Many of them had inboards.)
[url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1980-25-ODay-in-San-Diego_W0QQitemZ4569664586QQcategoryZ63730QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]ODay 25[/url]
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/24/2005 :  21:54:25  Show Profile
O'Days indeed do not have daggerboards--they generally have centerboards in stub keels, where the ballast is in the keel and the centerboard is just for lateral resistence. A daggerboard goes straight up and down in a sleeve, while a centerboard swings. O'Day's design does not put the ballast as low as the Catalina swing keel does, but it avoids some of the risks by making the ballast fixed. While O'Day hulls are generally not quite as strong as Catalinas, they are well-mannered and nicely designed boats. However, the company is long gone.
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