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byh2os
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Initially Posted - 08/17/2005 : 19:45:48

Howdy, I recently purchaced a 1985 25 swing Keel # 4828, I think. Even though some of your posts have scared the @#%* out of me I am looking forward to having it delivered ( no trailor yet) Friday. The boat now has a Honda 7.7hp on it, but I was able to get a great deal on a Yamaha 9.9 4-stroke. The place where I'm having some work done, says the motor is too big for both the original bracket and the transom. Please advise me if I need to get a new bracket or a new motor. Thanks, Bill

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John P
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Response Posted - 08/17/2005 : 20:21:05

I have a Mariner 9.9 on mine, no prob. All original

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/17/2005 : 22:15:51

Is your motor mount made primarily out of round stainless tubing... or is it rt angle pieces of aluminum with a narrow base? (very old style)

If it's tubular stainless, it's likely the later Catalina style ,ade by Garhauer and should be able to handle the weight. If it's the ancient aluminum one, I'd replace it.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 00:36:33

First... is it an extra long shaft? If not you need to find out if it can be modified, if not then it is not the motor for you. (I assume the Honda is an extra long shaft, allmost all motors on Catalina 25s are, and for a reason!)
Second... when it comes to weight 9.9 isn't the issue, 4 stroke is. I have owned the biggest Garelick and now I own the biggest (four spring, long braces) Garhauer. Buy the 4 spring Garhauer if you are going to have a 4 stroke engine.
Third... what did he mean by too big for the transom? Gobbledigook, if that is an accurate quote then disregard his advice from now on regarding Catalina 25 specific knowledge.
Fourth... Howdy Bill, congrats on the new boat and welcome.

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byh2os
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 04:59:22

Thanks Frank, It is a long shaft. The Yamaha weighs a little over a hundred pounds. As for as what he ment by too heavy for the transom, I assumed that ment it would buckle. This boat is going to Cedar Creek Lake in Texas and I need the motor to moor it at my house. Think this is not bothering me it's 3:58 AM, can't sleep.

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Dick Johnson
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:19:19

It sounds like I have the sister to your boat, SK #5512 with the Catalina bracket and a Yamaha 9.9 four stroke electric start. I sail on the Neuse River in NC. The Catalina and Yamaha have been a fantastic combination. Example: Wife and I were sailing last Sunday when two fronts started to collide near us. We put the motor down, turned her on and got our rears out of harms way.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:53:40

Most Catalina 25 transoms have some oil can effect from their motors. That is from carrying the 85 odd pounds that the typical 2 stroke weighs. A lot of us have used starboard to reinforce the transom both outside and inside. I did that on my old boat when I put the garelick on.

On my current 25 I have gone with the new garhauer from catalinadirect.com, it was designed for our boats and is perfect for my 9.9 heavy as hell Honda. Note the length of the brackets to distribute the weight.

Our boats are sensitive to transom lift when people go forward to cast off lines, mess with head sails, etc. A long shaft may work for you but an extra long shaft is always better. You will also run into that issue when you have a following sea in a blow. I really would see if the additional section is available to turn it into an extra long shaft. A long shaft is 20" an extra long is 25". Is the motor a "high Thrust" (sailboat motor)[url="http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outboard/products/subcatspecs/4/specs.aspx"]click here[/url]
or a portable?
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The Yamaha is a wonderful engine that any of us would love to have but you still need to make sure it is what you need.
Have you gone to my pages that are linked in my signature?

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DanM
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:46:43

Thanks for the pixs Frank. Are we correct that the first one (black) is your old mount and the second one is is the garhauer?
I am going to follow your advice after haulout. I rigged a two-block line from the stern pulpit to an eyebolt on the carry handle of my new Nissan 9.8 4-stroke in order to lift and lower it. Tilting it is still a problem to be reckoned with due to weight and clearance, so the starboard spacer may be needed.

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dhunt
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:53:26

Just another voice in favor of:
1. the Garhauer from Cat Direct
2. adding starboard plates inside and out for additional strength
3. keeping the swing keel down unless you run aground

You're on a lake so the problems you're likely to have with cavitation are from the wakes of stink potters flying by. Mount the Garhauer as low as she'll go on the transom and give the long shaft a try . . . the additional 5" may not be something you need.

As for the strength of the transom . . . if the glass is sound then don't worry about it - A regular maintenance schedule for the keel hardware is no big deal.

I LOVE my swinger. Insure it and enjoy it. One of the BEST things about the Cat-25 is that (aside from the work you put into it and the emotional attachment you'll form with her) they'll relatively inexpensive.

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byh2os
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 17:31:38

Thanks for all the help. I'm going to get a new bracket. Bill

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 22:24:55

I'll add a vote for the Starboard plate on the outside--it makes the installation rock-solid. Inside, I suggest 3/8" plywood to spread the load on the curved surface with a little more flexibility. Starboard is pretty rigid.

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 00:37:05

I'll add a vote for the Starboard plate on the outside--it makes the installation rock-solid. Inside, I suggest 3/8" plywood to spread the load on the curved surface with a little more flexibility. Starboard is pretty rigid. - Dave

That sounds like excellent advice ... and cheaper, too ... thanks, Dave

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 07:30:04

I am not familiar with the inside of the port motor location. What is curved? The starboard inside location is the bookshelf area in the quarter berth, it is flat. I am sure plywood would work great there and afford a person some nice cosmetic options. I used starboard there because the original piece I bought (smallest West sold) had plenty of material for both sides, it is not very pretty.

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Jay Schkloven
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 19:49:11

With the engine down and sailing alone I have had the motor lift when going forward. To solve this problem I have filled 8 gallon jugs with water( total 64 pounds) and place them all the way back on the starboard side under the shelf. This helps keep the motor in the water and when backing up the motor does not lift. I move the water to the area below the sink on the floor when sailing and have found this solves the problem.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 23:29:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 I am not familiar with the inside of the port motor location. What is curved? The starboard inside location is the bookshelf area in the quarter berth, it is flat.
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I found that my hull liner has a slight lateral curve there, just like the exterior of the transom. I used starboard, too, covering a wider area above the shelf, but cut it into two pieces (vertically) and rounded the corners to keep from putting too much pressure at the points, particularly near the corner of the liner. My exterior plate is narrower, but extends well below the bracket. You can't be too careful when you're hanging a hunky, new Honda on it!

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Jmurfy
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Response Posted - 08/22/2005 : 12:22:26

Hi, I also just boat my 1st boat, a 1985 Catalina 25. I almost lost my 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke due to rotted plywood on the back of my Garrick bracket. The bracket itself is crummy and wont alow me to get the motor out of the water so I will be changing it during the off season. I do love the boat and am learning alot everytime I go out on Lake Michigan.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/22/2005 : 20:56:44

You are going to love it Jeff.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 08/25/2005 : 00:23:41

Welcome Bill and Jeff! For Yamaha and Honda 4-strokes, I'll suggest the cast aluminum Garelick 71091. The new version of the tubular stainless Garhauer unit that Catalina used is also an improvement and somewhat less expensive, but by basic design is not as solid.

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