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DaveC25
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Initially Posted - 08/24/2005 : 14:52:42

Hey guys...

It doesn't look like Penny came with running rigging, so I am sort of working blind on this...

I am looking to get new rope (what ever they're called when they're attached) for the boom block and the jib control lines. As well, I need the lines to hoist the sails up. I thought these were halyards, but then I see that halyards are steel cables. Are they steel cables attached to rope?

Anyways, what kind of rope do I need? What size and length should I get, and where do I get it? Home Depot?

Thanks...

-DaveC25

PS: Here are some pictures>>
1. I told my girl I "had" to buy a new truck to tow the boat with. :)

2. Penny's hull after sanding

3. Grinding a blister out (there were many)

1979 Catalina 25 "Pretty Penny" #1166
Palm Bay, Florida

Edited by - DaveC25 on 08/24/2005 15:03:48

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/24/2005 : 15:17:02

First, I suggest you search every locker and drawer and every cardboard box the PO gave you, and, if you don't find it, call the PO and ask him if he forgot to give it to you. That much running rigging will cost a few bucks.

Running rigging is very low stretch line, and often has a cotton sheath to make it easier on your hands. If you tried to use the stuff you get at Home Depot, you'd find it very unsatisfactory, and you'd end up replacing it, so you might as well bite the bullet and get the right stuff.

If you have to replace the halyards, most people are replacing them with all-rope, instead of rope and wire, and, IMHO, that's the smart thing to do. It's cheaper and easier. The only additional parts you need to replace are the masthead sheaves, which are not expensive and are easy to replace.

There are websites where you can buy sailing cordage at discount, but I don't have them at hand. Someone else will be able to point you in their direction.

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DaveC25
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Response Posted - 08/24/2005 : 15:22:35

Thanks for the help, Steve.

I bought the boat in pretty rough shape, and she was a project to the prievious owner and to me as well. I'll go back through the drawers and such, but I didn't see any the first time through. I've been concentrating on the hull so much I actually haven't been in the cabin for a while. :)

Edited by - DaveC25 on 08/24/2005 15:23:09

frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/24/2005 : 15:28:14

Dave, I would second Steve's reply. When the boat was traded in to the dealer it had wire/rope haylards, mainsheet, and two jib sheets. The boat had to jibs a 110 and 150 with windows both less than 4 years old. It did not have a boom vang or in-boom outhaul. I doubt the PO got the boat without the running rigging. I also agree with Steve on converting the haylards to all rope low stretch 5/16".

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/24/2005 : 16:07:07

Take a look at Layline.com for starters. They have every kind of line made for a nautical purpose and then some. 3/8 - 5/16ths is going to be the diameter you'll use most for Jib and main halyards. Jib Sheets will be 3/8ths or 1/2 . Your boom vang and main sheet are probably 1/2. Our boats are small enough that we can go to the bargain section of Layline. They are end of the spool lines that Don’t quite make the length required for the bigger boats.

To be sure about your size diameter, I’d recommend 2 things first, see if you can identify if your blocks and gear is original. If it is, go to the brochures and manuals section of our website and get that same diameter. If it isn’t original, see if you can identify serial numbers and check with the mfg. site. You will find the max and min diameters for your equipment.

For lengths – go with what was posted in the same section of our website or estimate based on the following. (these measurements will be long by about 5 feet.) For the halyards, I’d swap them end for end each season and not cut. For the Jib sheets and main sheet see what works for you and cut it. The couple of extra dollars per line is worth it compared to holding a line that you wish had 4 more feet.

Jib sheets – take a measurement from winch around all shrouds and the mast back the the other winch and add about half your J dimension. (10ft)

Main halyard – from the stern to the top of the mast down the mast and back to the end of the cabin top. Everyone will think I’m nuts, but this allows a number of options here. First, you can use the Main halyard as an emergency stay if you run into trouble. You will also have enough length to run the halyard back to the cabin top, use it to hold the boom up at the dock and use it to assist in hoisting the motor off the transom if needed.

Jib halyard – bow stem to top of mast to stern. Can act as an emergency shroud and allows bowperson to have line to work with, compared to the old wire which came up short.

Main sheet – count the number of sheaves on your main tackle and add one (probably has 4 or 6). Then swing your boom all the way out and measure from the end of the boom to the traveler. Multiply that number by the sheaves plus one number.

Edited by - Champipple on 08/24/2005 16:12:10

Happy D
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Response Posted - 08/24/2005 : 17:35:27

[url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Running-Rigging-Catalina-25-DELIVERED-Cajun_W0QQitemZ4569524697QQcategoryZ31281QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]Look at this[/url]. Complete set of running rigging for a C25 on Ebay.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 08/24/2005 : 17:53:49

I ordered some line from them and can say, they are a good company to work with. And the line is pretty nice too.

Tom.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/24/2005 : 22:50:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Happy D
 [url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Running-Rigging-Catalina-25-DELIVERED-Cajun_W0QQitemZ4569524697QQcategoryZ31281QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]Look at this[/url]. Complete set of running rigging for a C25 on Ebay.

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Way more stuff than you need.

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Dave Laux
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Response Posted - 08/25/2005 : 20:15:38

The first picture of the boat you have looks like a wing keel. If it is the boat is newer, I believe, than you think. What is the hull number? Dave

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/25/2005 : 20:35:26

It is a retro fit Dave, it is Frog's old Pretty Penny.

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DaveC25
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Response Posted - 08/26/2005 : 10:14:47

Yea, she's a '79 with a retro-fitted wing after an apparent cable snap and hull damage. From what I understand she almost sunk when her swing broke. But she was sent to Catalina where they retrofitted the wing on her.

-DaveC25

Edited by - DaveC25 on 08/26/2005 10:15:36

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