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existentialsailor
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Initially Posted - 08/27/2005 : 15:34:53

Would anyone be able to tell me what I have here? I don't know what the material is, it'slike saran wrap and why are there black threaded lines through some parts of it? I believe this is a 135 for my boat.

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Rick

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/27/2005 : 16:00:55

That's a laminated sail, designed primarily for racing, but also good for general purposes. There are all kinds of laminated sails, and I don't know much about their construction, but I believe the black threads are added for strength. It looks like a nice sail, and not very old.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/27/2005 : 16:31:43

If its not Scottish its crap! (I'll give you $100 for it

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 08/27/2005 : 16:44:13

Sorry Frank, no "sale" ;)
The PO told me it cost almost $2000. I tend to take what he says with a grain of salt. I just don't know what to use it for, I think it's a racing sail, like Steve said, but why is it so small?

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/27/2005 : 18:48:53

That looks to be a very high-zoot mylar sail.

Smaller sails are typically for higher wind conditions... although there are some very small, light jibs for 'zero-air' conditions called 'windseekers'.

(Yes, using a small jib for ultra-light air is a bit of a paradox.)

Why do you say it's small? What do you usually carry as a headsail?
A 135 will overlap your mast by 35% +- when pulled fully aft.

Does it have a makers (loft) label on it?

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 08/27/2005 : 19:01:26

Yes, it was made by Hallett sails and has the additional tag of "leading edge". It is small to me, because my genny is a 155, that is what is usually on a Capri with a furler. I think from looking at this,it was recut from a hank on, adding a sunscreen to make it a furler sail. It was probably a 135, but is now a 125. I guess I'd have to usemy inside track for this one.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 08/28/2005 : 03:25:15

No, Dont use the inside track, or let me say dont use the cabin top track running the lines inside of the shrouds. Use the long track next to the windows, I have a 140% that the car sets right at the back of this track. The car should be arond 3 feet back from the middle shroud. go here and read these terms http://www.boatingteam.co.uk/articles/107

Its a good sail to have Rick, When the wind starts blowing you might want to put this sail on the furler. My reasoning behind this is that the foot of this sail when furled will be lower to the floor of the boat, The higher the foot gets off of the deck the more the boat will heal. The wind will tend to spill out of the bottom of the sail instead of flowing aft towards the leach.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 08/28/2005 : 06:28:50

Thanks Chris.
I don't have tracks on top of the cabin. For the 155, I use the track outside of the lifelines, for this I would use the track next to the port lights as you suggest. That's what I meant by inside track. The sail material seems awfully light for heavy air though...

My 155 is cross sheeted on the outside track in this picture. The end of the inside track I was talking about can be seen where the cabin top meets the deck. There is also a track along the back of the cockpit seat. I have no idea what I would use that track for...

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 08/29/2005 : 01:19:43

Rick, The track that you have now idea that you would have a use for is the track that you should be using for the block to cross sheet the genoa. This way you can power up the genoa. You want the genoa (when going close hauled course) to be 6" off of the spreader tip while powering up to speed then crank it in to 1" off of the spreader for trim. This will get the boat on its feet allot faster and make you faster going upwind. On a reack you can move to the outside tracks on the rail. Is this sail in the photo the 155%? is this also cut for the furler? I can't see if it has sunbrella on it or not. Like I stated on the other forum, the sail looks to be a 155% cut down for the furler. You could use this sail up to 14 knots anything else I would just change to the 100%. The teak looks really nice. How are the windows holding up?

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 08/29/2005 : 01:35:51

I wanted to add these so you could see how I have setup the genoa on my boat. I don't have the cross sheeting, but you can see the genoa sail and its shape. The main in these are a little open (still needs to be trimmed in). This is a 140% this is why its sheeted on the cabin window track, The 155% is the track behind this one, and because of the fuller shapre this is why the track also steps in some.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/29/2005 : 08:45:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by existentialsailor
 Sorry Frank, no "sale" ;)
The PO told me it cost almost $2000. I tend to take what he says with a grain of salt. I just don't know what to use it for, I think it's a racing sail, like Steve said, but why is it so small?
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Looking at that sail and knowing the cost of these things, I would get rid of your salt and take what he said at face value. Or at least 1500 bucks (which technically would round upward to the nearest thousand at 2 grand)

That looks like either one of three types of sails – a carbon fiber, a kevlar or a dacron thread.

The fibers going through the sail are what gives the laminate sail its strength. I’m not qualified to wax poetic about the laminate sails, but I can tell you they are light, strong and make the boat go fast. They hold their shape longer than a regular dacron, but have a life expectancy of only a few years.

Check out some of the sail lofts on our links page to get more information about these sails.

Also, to improve the life, when your not using it keep the sail rolled, not folded in its bag out of the sunlight. If you sail in Utah or blue water, be sure to put her away after rinsing off the saltwater and letting it air dry.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/29/2005 : 12:59:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 That looks to be a very high-zoot mylar sail.

Smaller sails are typically for higher wind conditions... although there are some very small, light jibs for 'zero-air' conditions called 'windseekers'.

(Yes, using a small jib for ultra-light air is a bit of a paradox.)

Why do you say it's small? What do you usually carry as a headsail?
A 135 will overlap your mast by 35% +- when pulled fully aft.

Does it have a makers (loft) label on it?
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135 = smaller than the maximum and usually the number 2 headsail. I think that is what was meant when it was referred to as small.

Laminate sails are extrememly great in light air because they are light weight and it doesn't take a lot of wind to keep them full. As we all know, every time the sail luffs, you need enough wind to fill it before you can get the boat moving again.

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