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crcalhoon
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Initially Posted - 10/18/2005 : 22:46:47

Here I come again. Winter is coming, and I am going to need a working jib. Have a 130 and 150, but that won't hack it when the wind blows. I'd really rather buy used, but am not sure what or from whom. I'm thinking about a 70%, and wondering if there are any recommendations out there for cloth weight, size, and particularly, reputable, dependable dealers. You guys who have been sailing C25s for years, what is your pref. for a working jib? A few square feet one way or another won't matter. I have noticed that the J-24 sails seem to be about the same size, but those racers sure do like big sails. I'm going to be a small lake sailor this time, with trees and valleys and probably weird, gusting, shifting winds.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/18/2005 : 23:16:04

I took a J-24 110 and had it cut down to 80%. It is bullet proof and works beautifully at 20-35 mph. The sail was free and the work was under $100. I also had over sized hanks put on, in that kind of wind I do not want a sail hanging up going up or down.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 10/19/2005 : 08:05:44

Charles,

When I bought my boat 16 years ago, part of the deal was a 60% storm/working jib. It works particularly well with a reefed main, especially with the second reef. It was built like a storm jib with heavy duty hanks, but was just a bit larger. The combinaton worked great with winds in the 30+ speed.

I bought roller furling and sold the sail to Jim Baumgart last year. Perhaps he has used it and can attest to its effectiveness as well.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/19/2005 : 09:09:24

You said you want a working jib. IMHO, a 70% jib is small for a working jib. By far, most C25s have a 110% jib for their working jib. Since 1981 I used a 150 and a 110 on a small inland lake, and found them adequate for both racing and general sailing. The sailcloth for a C25 110 should be a little heavier than for the 130 or 150. About 6 oz. is commonly used.

On a small inland lake, you don't often need a jib smaller than 110% for higher winds. When the winds are too strong for a 110 and single-reefed main, most inland lake sailors just drop their sails and head for the marina. It makes sense to do so, because it gets hard to control a sailboat in those conditions and it scares the crew. Also, on an inland lake, you are completely surrounded by lee shores. If something breaks or gets tangled (which happens more often in those conditions), it doesn't take very long for you to get beached. Some people have smaller sails and continue sailing in those conditions, but they're starting to press the limits of safety.

If you are a coastal cruiser, you should have a smaller headsail, because there is always the chance that you be caught out in a sudden squall, unable to get into a sheltered area, so you'll need a smaller sail that will keep you going, and I think a 70% jib would be the next logical step down from the 110.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 10/19/2005 : 13:31:34

I forgot to mention that the 60% jib was made of .75 oz clothe by North Sails. It came with a nice vinyl covered wire pigtail which the halyard attached to and tell tails. All my sails have been with made by or modified by North except my cruising shute which is made by Sobstaad. I very happy with all five of my sails.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/19/2005 : 19:43:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 All my sails have been with made by or modified by North except my cruising shute which is made by Sobstaad. I very happy with all five of my sails.
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DUH

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/19/2005 : 21:44:53

We have an old 90 that came with the boat that we throw up when we are too lazy to do any work, don't want to sit on our ear or have guests on board that aren't big on healing.

the 150 and the 147.4 (an old J24 jib) are what we use when we are serious.... Along with 3 j24 kites of various sizes and hopefully, if the quote is right a class maximum C-25 kite to whupp all your behinds at nationals this coming year....(exact date coming soon)

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/20/2005 : 07:18:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 We have an old 90 that came with the boat that we throw up when we are too lazy to do any work, don't want to sit on our ear or have guests on board that aren't big on healing.

the 150 and the 147.4 (an old J24 jib) are what we use when we are serious.... Along with 3 j24 kites of various sizes and hopefully, if the quote is right a class maximum C-25 kite to whupp all your behinds at nationals this coming year....(exact date coming soon)
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You really want is to pay the penalty and fly my friends new 170 mylar. Penalties are fine when you are the only one moving. It is down to $600

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/20/2005 : 07:28:00

There will be no penalty for nationals, just a DSQ

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/20/2005 : 11:27:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 There will be no penalty for nationals, just a DSQ
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How do you spell the sound of rasberries?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/20/2005 : 12:12:00

A "working jib" would be the 110. That and a single reefed main is fine up to about 25 knots. Hopefully I'll get Al's 60 out this winter. I carried it up to Santa Rosa Island and even though I was caught in some huge winds, I didn't need it. I dropped the 135 jib and sailed under single reefed main + engine. But I was in 20 feet of water and heading into anchor. No time for a sail change.

Downwind even in 30+ knots I think the 110 and a reefed main would be OK.

I now have 60, 110, 135 dacron, 135 laminate, 155 laminate, 170 dacron, nylon spinnaker. The V Berth is full!

The sail bag holding the 170 is smaller than the 110 due to the light material!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/20/2005 : 16:44:11

Gotta love the ocean. 30 kts here you wouldn't even get out of the harbor the waves would be so close together

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/20/2005 : 16:46:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 Gotta love the ocean. 30 kts here you wouldn't even get out of the harbor the waves would be so close together
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Amen!

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tcox
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Response Posted - 10/21/2005 : 15:19:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I took a J-24 110 and had it cut down to 80%. It is bullet proof and works beautifully at 20-35 mph. The sail was free and the work was under $100. I also had over sized hanks put on, in that kind of wind I do not want a sail hanging up going up or down.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Frank, who did your sail work? I have a 150 that needs some sewing. Is there a rigger locally or did you send it out?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/22/2005 : 00:11:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tcox
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I took a J-24 110 and had it cut down to 80%. It is bullet proof and works beautifully at 20-35 mph. The sail was free and the work was under $100. I also had over sized hanks put on, in that kind of wind I do not want a sail hanging up going up or down.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Frank, who did your sail work? I have a 150 that needs some sewing. Is there a rigger locally or did you send it out?
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Roger Kerr, Kerr Sails Tulsa OK.
1-913-437-0544

I have been very pleased with the price and the product.

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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 10/23/2005 : 18:42:22

I dunno. 110 seems like a lot of sail if that's the smallest. I was out on this lake for the first time today blowing bout 20, somebody else's boat, flying 110 and unreefed main, and it was fun, but I'm older now. Also have to contend with the fact this boat came with Tuf-Luf system installed and 130 and 150 cut for it. Don't know how I will like that. Everybody tells me I'll love it, but I'm old fashioned and, like Frank, tend to like big hunky jib hanks that I know will go up and down. I'll sail this thing for a while and see how I like it. Looking for a reputable dealer for used sails. Any recommendations?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/23/2005 : 22:23:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by crcalhoon
 I dunno. 110 seems like a lot of sail if that's the smallest. I was out on this lake for the first time today blowing bout 20, somebody else's boat, flying 110 and unreefed main, and it was fun, but I'm older now. Also have to contend with the fact this boat came with Tuf-Luf system installed and 130 and 150 cut for it. Don't know how I will like that. Everybody tells me I'll love it, but I'm old fashioned and, like Frank, tend to like big hunky jib hanks that I know will go up and down. I'll sail this thing for a while and see how I like it. Looking for a reputable dealer for used sails. Any recommendations?
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Oh yours will come down alright and fly straight off the boat. A hankless sail is virtually impossible to single hand. You will need netting from the bow pulpit back two stanchions and sail ties tied to the pullpit and the base of each stanchion and really fast hands. Get hanks put on your sails and toss the tuff luff. I do have a suit of head sails for sale; 110 for $150 and a 150 for $200. plus shipping, both are in very good condition.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 10/24/2005 : 10:11:34

>"Get hanks put on your sails and toss the tuff luff."

IMHO: Good advice for single handing. I'd highly recommend converting to conventional hanks... and rig a downhaul line to the head of the sail, led back to the cockpit. Finish off your rig with lazy jacks on the main and you've got it made.

I'll probably get a 90 or 100 jib as my next sail purchase too... better visibility when single handing, easier to tack, rig and stow. I think a lot of the 'right choice' is determined by venue (plus crew or lack therof). On Humboldt Bay you're never very far from a lee shore and you don't have a lot of time to fool around before you're on the mud. Avoidance of sail 'mishaps' when single handing is a priority.

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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 10/25/2005 : 21:52:27

Gotta' love old sails and their provenance. Apparently a previous owner was a racer, and I inherited a mylar spinnaker staysail, made by North, called a Dazy. I talked to a North dealer who said "yeah, I remember those." I asked if there was any other use and he said, maybe a little help on a broad reach. Wowee. Lemmesee, with a triple reefed main, and the mylar staysail, . . . Nahhh.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/26/2005 : 12:28:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 >"Get hanks put on your sails and toss the tuff luff."

IMHO: Good advice for single handing. I'd highly recommend converting to conventional hanks...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

For the singlehander, I'd recommend converting to roller furling.

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