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Captain Bill
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Initially Posted - 11/21/2005 : 21:32:04

I've been reading this forum for several months now and have learned a lot and have a lot to be learned. I'm still trying to lean the lingo. Only recently began sailing and purchased a 1989 C25 T/R W/K. I'm the third owner and the first two took great care of boat and made several nice improvements. I'll try to post pictures of the seats added by PO to the stern which may be of interest. Yes, the first winter project will be to repair the rudder (I'm holding out for a few more days of good weather here on the Pamlico River where we are fortunate to sail in December with a little luck). Thanks to this forum I realized I had a problem with the rudder. Also didn't know SS keel bolts could turn to swiss cheese. Hope mine are OK although they don't exactly look like dental tools. I could go on and on about the things I've learned from this forum, suffice it to say it's great that owners with experience take the time to share their knowledge and experiences. Thanks a bunch and I'll be checking in on y'all on a regular basis.

1989 C25 TR WK, Sail No. 5914

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danandlu
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Response Posted - 11/21/2005 : 22:15:21

Welcome Captain Bill.

I too, am relatively new to sailing and have also recently acquired a Catalina 25 (moving WAY up from a Reinell 22). Like you I am also the third owner of my new boat. There is so much good information here that I have found via the search function, it made my decision to purchase much easier. I have questions that I will soon post that I haven't been able to find via searching.

Cheers!

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Response Posted - 11/21/2005 : 23:08:10

Gosh Bill,
The seats look interesting but it appears they used one of the push-pit stanchions to support the seat. The rails are now missing the corner support. How sturdy is the rail when you sit on it?
She is a pretty ship.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 07:24:29

Frank,

Those look similar to a catalina direct mod that was available a few years back. I'd bet that structurally they are okay.

dw

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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 08:39:22

She does look to be in beautiful shape. I'll bet you are excited. Welcome to the forum, Bill and Dan. Reading here, and contributing your ideas/questions, is great winter fun!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 08:42:42

Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...Captain Bill, Arriving!...Ding!

Welcome to this "Great Forum" Captain Bill!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Bill
 ...I could go on and on about the things I've learned from this forum, suffice it to say it's great that owners with experience take the time to share their knowledge and experiences...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Hear! Hear! This forum has helped me immensely.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 09:42:27

Hi, Capt' Bill, welcome to the forum, good to hear from you, enjoy your December a sailing...boat looks great.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936

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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 09:46:25

Welcome to the forum Cap'n Bill.

Nice looking boat. I see it's got a portlight in the 1/4 berth. Nice feature.

Steve

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 11:27:13

Frank,
Thanks for your welcoming commenmts. Yes, the seats are sturdy as a rock. They greatly impove vision and I wouldn't want to sail a long way without them. When we brought her home from Newbern, NC to Oriental, to Broad Creek on the Pamlico (about 16 hours) it was nice being able to sit upon them and view the surroundings. Of course the tiller extension came in handy. I think that was the first time I ever tried sleeping on a piano bench! Got to do something about that when I have more time. Also need to replace upholstry, after all, it's 16 years old.
This forum is so great I spent too much time here. My wife probably thinks I've go off the deep end. Thanks to all for you comments, glad I bought the C25 and can use this board as a reference and for tehnical support. Without it I would really be lost. Bill

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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 12:21:27

Aye Capt' and there was a time when we were all pretty much left to our own devices and the forum was born, and is growing, thanks to all.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936

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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 20:25:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 The seats look interesting but it appears they used one of the push-pit stanchions to support the seat. The rails are now missing the corner support.
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Frank--are you sure there is a corner stancion on that rail? I've never seen one. It looks like they added a post down from the corner of the rail to the seat--that might improve the strength of the rail rather than detract from it.

Captain Bill--welcome and congratulations! Indeed, this forum is a great feature of the C-25 and C-250. You won't find a better bunch!

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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 20:52:03

The split rail used on the last series had the extra stanchions

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Response Posted - 11/22/2005 : 21:02:18

I see... But they're not at the corners, and apparently weren't on Captain Bill's rails. But they're a good structural addition when the rail doesn't go all the way across. I cut the center section out of my rail for access from the dock (no finger docks) and could feel the loss of rigidity in the two remaining sections.

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 11/23/2005 : 21:16:39

Frank & Dave,

I checked my original owners manual and there were only two stanchions on this model (Sail no. 5914). What the PO did was run a new stainless steel rail between the original existing stanchions about 1/2 way up from the deck. Then he ran another rail from the top middle of the original rail down and curved into the new rail. (Best viewed from the starboard picture). The seat sits on these two new rails and is bolted through each of them. I don't have a better picture of this now but I hope this helps explain how he did it. At any rate I'm glad he did a good job with the seats. His worksmanship was so good I thought it was factory made. It improves visibility greatly and I highly recommend them. And yes, it probably strengthened the original two stanchions a great deal. If anyone is interested I'll be glad to make some measurements this weekend. Hoping to sail Saturday,
Bill

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 11/23/2005 : 21:21:36

Forgot to ask and probably a stupid question but the sail number is also part of my hull number. Does this indicate when and where it was manufactured or of any use for historical purposes? Thanks, Bill

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Response Posted - 11/23/2005 : 21:54:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Bill
 Forgot to ask and probably a stupid question but the sail number is also part of my hull number. Does this indicate when and where it was manufactured or of any use for historical purposes? Thanks, Bill
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Captain Bill,

The HIN breaks down to give you the manufacturer, model/serial number, year of certification, and month of certification. The number in the serial number is also the boat's sail number.

For example the HIN "CTYK2151M80L" breaks down as...

CTY= Catalina Yachts

K= C25 Model (K=C25, L=C27, A=C250,...)

2151= Serial Number (sail number)

M80= 1980, Year of Certification

L= July, Month of Certification

[url="http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm"]Play the Numbers Game (What's a HIN?)[/url]

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Captain Bill
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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 21:08:53

Not to rehash an old topic but I thought you may be interested in a picutre I found of youngest son enjoying the Pamlico River view on a 2004 Thanksgiving cruise while perched on the seats mentioned above.

Happy sailing, Bill

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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 21:17:05

Nice picture Bill...I bet that dual mainsheet setup allows for a lot better mainsail shape.

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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 21:33:49

Hi Bill !
Congratulations on buying your boat and...getting the photos into the posting. I still have to try that.

We have sister ships. I also bought an '89 Catalina 25, sail#5820. I purchased mine in September. I have a list of winter projects as well. I want to move some of the things that are presently stored on the quarterberth into the cockpit locker - poles, shade cover, etc. I just bought a bunch of stuff at home depot and am going to sort of hook up a hammock shelf(s) in the space between the cockpit and hull.
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html

Larry

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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 21:54:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 Nice picture Bill...I bet that dual mainsheet setup allows for a lot better mainsail shape.
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Ya, without a traveler... I haven't seen that on a C-25. It appears to be connected at the clevis pin for the split backstay on starboard, but where is it attached on the port side? Can you use the two parts independently, or is there one sheet that runs through both sets of blocks? The former would do more for sail shape.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 22:30:31

A couple of things I noticed.

Frank - Your traveler is attached to the pulpit. Is that normal on the later models?
I know the stern pulpit was actually an option originally Take a look at this pic - the lifelines terminate at the cockpit.

Here is one of the wasp if you'll notice the stern pulpit, we don't have the seats, but the pulpit only has one support. The traveler, barely visible, connects to the transom, not to the pulpit.

dw

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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 23:11:30

Yes, just like the newer 22s the traveler with an X track is part of the sternrail.
Also note my transom has no notch.

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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 23:26:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 ...Also note my transom has no notch.
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Oh there's a notch...it just goes all the way across the transom.

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Response Posted - 12/19/2005 : 23:40:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 Nice picture Bill...I bet that dual mainsheet setup allows for a lot better mainsail shape.
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Ya, without a traveler...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You call that thing on the back of a C25 a traveller?!

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 06:18:43

Duane,

My '89 does not have the lifelines ending near the winch as the sketch you posted shows. Mine has the stern rail with two supports similar to captian Bill's minus the rail that supports the seat. My traveler...well I am not looking at the boat right now but believe my website shows the arrangement and it is horizontally located above the tiller.

http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html

Larry

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/20/2005 : 07:37:36

I think the diagram was the early 77 and 78’s and the pulpit was an option on the early models.

By the way, the traveler by way of two block and tackle sets to the cabin top is how an O’day I sail on was modified. Intuitively it takes some thinking, since both lines act as traveler and mainsheet; on our boat it clears out the cockpit and on the O’day, where the traveler was directly in front of the companionway getting into the cabin is easier.

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