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budd
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Initially Posted - 12/21/2005 : 18:31:41

I'am looking to buy a 2006 Honda 9.9 xls motor and was wondering if anyone out there knows anything about the Power Tilt feature on the new Honda motors, will mount on the back of a 1980 Catalina 25. This motor with the power tilt, electric start, 25 inch shaft weights in at 120 lbs, it also requires a special outboard bracked which the Dealer recommended a Panther, bracket which is made for the Honda or at least a engine such as.
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Bud

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 18:59:40

read last week's threads there is a brand new one for sale.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 19:04:48

Bud,

Did they mention which Panther bracket you would need?

Since I've never heard of Panther Marine before, I did a little looking around on their website. One of their outboard brackets looks very similar to the Garelick brand.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 20:00:08

Hi Bud
You may want to consider the 8 hp Honda instead. It has the same block as the 9.9, but it has a different cam. It's designed for lower end torque, which is what our boats need. Even a Honda factory rep I met at a boat show in Atlanta recommended it, and explained the differences, even though they are about 300 bucks less than the 9.9. I hope he didn't lose his job for recommending a cheaper unit.
So that's what I bought for my 25, an 8 hp extra long shaft power thrust with electric start. No power tilt.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 20:42:47

I would not recommend any of the above engine mounts. The arms have no lateral dimnsions to prevent flexing. With any engine over 50lbs you will be sadly dissapointed. Catalina direct offers the ultimate small engine mount in the Garhauer mount.
I don't believe you will find a better mount...period.

Tom.

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djn
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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 20:47:39

I have the Garelick brand and even though I have not run it, one look told me that it is going to wobble back and forth. I would rather have the CD type with the legs spread apart. Cheers.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/21/2005 : 22:10:27

I too recommend the Garhauer but not because of strength. My Garelick on my 82 was strong enough to pick the boat up with. (The old style light duty kicker mount in the pictures above are not what a Catalina 25 owner should use anyway.) It is just that the Garhauer is designed with our transom height in mind and does a better job of getting the prop in the water.
this is the appropriate Garelick mount

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/22/2005 : 06:11:12

I have the heavy duty Garelick mount that Frank has too. I modified it to swing down deeper into the water by redrilling the mounting holes for the bracket which sets the depth.
If I were to buy a new mount today I would get the new 4 spring mount from Catalina Direct. It wasn't available at the time.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/22/2005 : 16:59:14

Regarding the power tilt, after I raise my bracket to the top, I only have to tilt the XLS Honda 8 a single notch to get the skeg out of the water--not a big deal IMHO, and I'm old and small. Of greater importance is a bracket with enough spring (or gas strut) power to raise the engine.

Ditto Frank Gloss on the 8--it has more power than I will ever use. The 9.9 is essentially the same engine for several boat units more.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/22/2005 : 18:05:17

Bud,

I am also strongly considering replacing my motor and buying a new Honda 9.9. In preparation for that, I recently installed a new 4-spring Garhauer bracket onto my '89 Catalina. My old motor weighs around 100-102 lbs (12 yr old Honda 9.9 20" shaft). With the old bracket, a 2-spring Garhauer, the previous owner used a block and tackle to raise the motor. With the new bracket, it was a bit stiff in the beginning but now I can get it into the deep running slot with no problems. Getting it out of the slot to raise the motor, sometimes requires me to give the bracket handle a push down with my foot. Then raising it is a piece of cake without using the block and tackle. My thought is that the new Hondas and Yamahas with the 25" shafts are about 10 lbs heavier than my present motor and that should make it easier getting the bracket to release from the slot. that and continued use of the bracket will loosen that up.

I was also thinking about the power tilt option but I do not want to deal with the extra weight because as it is my old motor is no piece of cake when it has to be removed or placed back on the bracket. Maybe if I worked out some more at the fitness center or used the motor as a free weight, the weight would become a non-issue. But right now it is a factor besides the extra cost of a power tilt. One thing I was wondering is if perhaps the new motors are a bit more ergonomically designed to manually tilt them compared to the older motors. If anyone has info on that, maybe it would help make the decision as to whether a power tilt will be such a benefit versus the few times you may have to deal with carrying around a heavier motor.

Larry

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budd
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Response Posted - 12/22/2005 : 22:29:31

Thanks for all the replys and help, Iam going to look at the 8hp and the Garhauer mount. My boat is up in Washington state and iam down here in Ca so have several months before i go back up there and need to get everything lined up so it wont take all summer to get the boat back into the water.
Thanks again and if anymore wants to reply, please fell free.
Bud

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/23/2005 : 09:17:07

Larry,
your idea of going back to the gym is the best one put forth on this entire thread. I'm 54 years old and exercise regularly, both weightlifting, and cardiovascular. Most folks think I'm in my mid 40's. I'm single, and the ladies appreciate a fit man. We'll let that thought rest right there.
The extra upper body strength is really handy when raising the mast solo. I can take my heavy Honda off the boat while it is on the trailer using a Garhauer hoist and carry it to the truck for transport by myself too.
I have a bad disc (L3-4) and my surgeon says the best thing I can do is exercise, the worst thing is to sit and get out of shape.
Tilting my motor is no problem at all.
We are all very busy, and you just have to put in the time to get to the gym. Over the long term, your extra energy will let you get more done. The hardest part is starting.
Feel free to contact me anytime for encouragement.
Let me tell you, doing anesthesia on a fit person is a lot easier for me, and the patient, than an out of shape, obese person. Put another way, if you don't have time to take care of yourself now, you may have to take lots of time in the ICU later.
Good luck.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/23/2005 : 18:23:01

Frank G - Okay...let's take a diversion for a sec..and talk fitness. Perhaps the best thing that happened to me many years ago was suffer a basketball injury when I was in my 40s. I partially tore my Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL) and then after rehab, sports brace for continued competitive sports, finished off the ACL 8 years later playing BBall with the same guys, same night as before. Then went for the ACL reconstruction and now over 7 yrs post-op and knee is back to normal. As a result of the rehabs during these events, I joined a fitness center and regularly exercised. Also got into bicycle riding and average about 2000 miles a year. The boat has put a crimp into the biking because at least for now, I would rather go sailing. I also slacked off the fitness center routines. But...I am resolved to get back into these things - I guess my New Years resolution. Anyway....here's my ACL Reconstruction website and at the bottom of the first page that opens is the link to my bike website. Let me know what you think of my bike.

http://www.olarryrknees.homestead.com/acl.html

Larry

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Mark Loyacano
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Response Posted - 12/24/2005 : 08:38:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OLarryR
 Frank G - Okay...let's take a diversion for a sec..and talk fitness. http://www.olarryrknees.homestead.com/acl.html<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Larry, thank you for that website. It helped me prepare for a visit to an OS next month. My knee has bothered me lately (runner). I was training for this years San Diego marathon and because of knee pain, had to back way off...sadly.

By the way. It was easy to combine fitness activities and boating at our state park (Cheney). I had a 5 and 10K course, and a ten mile run mapped out around the park. I got to know where every water faucet and shower was for relief from summer heat

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Fitness (and sobriety) can make the difference to the outcome of an emergency while on the water.

Thanks again for your comments and sharing the web site with us.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 12/24/2005 : 12:59:02

I am really enjoying this Catalina Board. Real good people devoted to their boats and giving their advice from experience to all.

At the bottom of my knee website was also a link to Bob's ACL Knee Bulletin Board. It is 90% having to do specifically with those having an ACL specific injury. Since it mostly deals with those with concerns, there is an exaggerated perception that everyone out there is suffering from seeking medical care. But that is not the case for most. Most that recovered do not stay on the Board. They are out having fun and tend not to want to talk knees anymore. But you may find reading some of the posts helpful - take them with a grain of salt. I used to be one of the largest contributors on the Board and there are still a few of us that have lingered on for years supporting it. But now I am getting stretched to my limits with other endeavors - sailing, etc. So I do not post often.

Anyway - I guess the knee second is over and now back to....Honda Motor. My 12 year old motor has now been working fine. maybe the electrical issue effects it in warmer weather ? Anyway, I desire a dependable motor - once had a new Evinrude 7.5. For 5 years that motor worked like a charm until I sold my boat. I want those days back. So...but to do so means plucking down ~ $2500+. Well...it's time for presents isn't it ?

Larry

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