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ClamBeach
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Initially Posted - 01/09/2006 :  09:59:18  Show Profile
The usual culprit. Rot inside due to periodic water intrusion around the bolt holes. I suppose after 29 years, she was a bit overdue.

Prior to the breakage, it looked just fine from the outside. This is a failure point that's pretty hard to check short of drilling around... and a failure that could put you in real danger if the failure happened in close to the hard pointy stuff. Should do a regular replacement every 10 years or so I reckon.

I'll epoxy-saturate the holes in the new one before installing, should hold the rot gremlins at bay for awhile.

Catalina Direct?
WOTAM - '77 Catalina 25 SK/SR Sail Number 158
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 :  10:46:08  Show Profile
Bruce,

For further protection against water intrusion, I used thin neoprene washers between the tiller and mounting plates.

As to your suggestion about periodically changing the tiller, that is an excellent idea. One could stow the still serviceable old tiller in the boat somewhere to use as an emergency tiller.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 :  15:00:12  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ClamBeach</i>
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...as good as anyone. WM's price is ridiculous--CD's is right, and you'll have it in a few days.

I did, in effect, what Don did--countersunk the bolt holes a little and then put some polysulfide caulk around the bolts to create a gasket. But $50 every 10-15 years is probably the best protection, just as is new standing rigging for us salt water sailors. You can't see the damage until it's too late.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 :  15:16:23  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
I bought one fron CD, it is awsome. On the back is the Manufacturer's name and phone number, want it?
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 :  17:56:07  Show Profile
Already Ordered the tiller from CD... I needed to order some other maintenance parts so I did it all in one.

The tiller should be here in time for the weekend so I can watch it rain another 6".

No crack snap or pop.. just lifed up a bit and part of the tiller stayed put. Looked closely and hmmm.. there shouldn't be daylight down there. Glad it happened in the marina and not cracking along on a beat somewhere.

Good lesson on boat preparation and inspections.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 :  19:51:26  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
H&L woodworking is the company that makes them for everybody. It is darn close to the J-24 tiller, exactly like the coronado 25 tiller and a bunch of others. I found them on the web a while back but their price was almost the same as Pyacht.com. They make both a finished and unfinished version - and the prices are in line with direct from MFG.

http://pyacht.net/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/h-h_and_l_sailboat_tlliers.htm?L+scstore+xfyf6941ff4cb74c+1136872092
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 :  19:52:22  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
just found the phone number, someone in this particular area code want to call and get a quote?

H&L Marine Woodwork 323-636-1718
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/09/2006 :  20:47:49  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Duane Wolff</i>
<br />just found the phone number, someone in this particular area code want to call and get a quote?
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If they're smart, they won't undercut their customers (if they'll sell direct at all). For a couple of nickels and dimes, I'd just go with our trusted suppliers, CD. (They charged me less than PYacht.net.)
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/10/2006 :  11:54:08  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Yes, but... If I wanted one with no finish, if I wanted a slightly different one, I would be glad I could call the source and talk to them. I think we all have wondered about how loosing about 6 inches would affect one's control.
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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 01/10/2006 :  13:31:11  Show Profile
A good friend here in my marina just ordered a custom tiler direct from H & L. He has a Cal 25 and couldn't find the tiller he wanted in stock. He made a cardboard template traced from another Cal 25 with a better tiller and sent it to them. He received a new tiller, unfinished (his choice, wanted to do it himself) in about two weeks. Shipping and all was around $50.00. I helped him fit it and with a little sanding where it enters the gooseneck fitting it went in perfectly. I think he said that having them varnish it would have been about another $15.00, but not sure on that. Be advised that the tiller arrives undrilled, and although I guess you could drill it with a hand drill, I really think that drill press and a few clamps guarantees a better job.
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dblitz
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Response Posted - 01/10/2006 :  19:58:12  Show Profile
I have a price list (can't tell how old though) from H&L at tel. 323.636.1718 and fax 323.636.1720 which shows Cat 25 unfinished mah-ash price at 38.48 (part # 112) and finished tiller (part # 112F) priced at $ 50.98. Unfinished come sanded ready for varnish and finished come with 4 coats of varnish.
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