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jking
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Initially Posted - 01/17/2006 : 13:35:01

IdaSailor markets a kick-up rudder for the 250 wb. Has anyone tried it, and if so, how did it perform?

John
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'Flying Wasp' , formerly 'MAD MOM'

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 01/17/2006 : 22:40:22

I don't know much about IdaSailors rudders. However, I remember reading this a while back when I was researching a Bimini Trip. You might want to read through a few of these threads. It may be worth dealing with the pop up adds.
http://pub11.bravenet.com/forum/912005466/fetch/493411

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Response Posted - 01/18/2006 : 12:46:40

I have a kick up Ida for my C250 Wing Keel and am very pleased with it. I read the posts and they referred to problems with the Mac 26 Ida. I think part of the problem was leaving it partly up. It also seems to be skinnier. If in doubt call Joel at Ida Sailor ... he will answer honestly. It all comes down to personal choice. I like the Ida better than the Catalina Generation 2.

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Response Posted - 01/18/2006 : 14:01:57

It may have something to do with all that HP them Macs have, do they motor with the rudders up or down?

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/18/2006 : 23:53:29

Likely all beaching rudders should not be operated in a kicked back position because of the loads that will be incurred on the tiller and wheel and of course those loads indicate that the rudder itself is likely being overstressed.

Rudders are designed for vertical or near so operation... not raked well aft, in fact only an inch or so of aft rake can induce great loads on a high aspect ratio rudder.

Roger, which generation II rudder were you using prior to going to the IDA, the blade or beaching... if beaching, did you do the mod to balance it a bit? Did you go with the IDA beaching or blade?

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Response Posted - 01/19/2006 : 08:04:03

Arlyn,

I had the full length Generation II rudder and went to a kick-up Ida Sailor rudder. I really like the kick up feature and of course always sail with it fully down. Any rudder can break if used inappropriately.

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Response Posted - 01/19/2006 : 11:12:54

Tom, I think I gotta disagree on this one... dealing with that horrible forum was not worth it for me... hope its making the conch cruisers enough to fund their cruises

Roger, thanks for the reply. The 2nd generation blade rudder had torque issues because it wasn't balanced... I can understand the appreciation of the IDA rudder.

The 2nd generation rudder however makes a very good rudder when it is balanced a little. This is not too hard to do on the beaching and some have also removed the pintles on the blade, filled the holes and then reset the pintles for some forward rake on the bottom... a bit of work, but worth the effort to reduce torque issues.

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Response Posted - 01/19/2006 : 17:46:57

Thanks for the helpful replies. For those with the Ida kick-up rudder, can you tow with the rudder in place? I would like to not have to remove the rudder for trailering, and my dealer says that it may be possible to add a second set of gudgeons just off the centerline to accomodate the aft mast support while the boat is out of the water.

I like my boat already, and I haven't even taken delivery (like looking in the candy store window before the store is open!)

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Response Posted - 01/19/2006 : 18:13:57

I know what you mean Arlyn, every time I go on their site my pop up blocker starts smoking.

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Response Posted - 01/26/2006 : 23:35:41

I used an Ida Sailor rudder for years on my Mac 26 Classic (the sailboat, not the power sailer) and got great service.

the first mod I did to my 250 was to install an Ida sailor kick-up rudder to replace the fixed one. I have been totally pleased with it and the service received from the company. I lost the big knurled adjusting knob and they sent me a new one and a locking bolt at no charge.

I have single handed with it in the Pacific Northwest for two seasons now and managed to round up only once when using too much sail in two much wind while crossing one of the straits.

Paull, "Pau Hana" WB 250

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