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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/17/2002 : 07:35:33

dave, i guess you are right. i should have expected it somewhere. as you said, it is good for us all to review the rules. it always amazes me how many people dont know them.

COLDDUCKS
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/17/2002 : 08:12:45

Commercial vessels always have right away over pleasure vessels. You can say its because he has restricted maneuverability if you want, I prefer to say it takes him about a mile and a half or more to stop. Or to put it another way, we refer to it as the law of tonnage any boat that officially lists its weight in tons has right away over an boat that does not.

Sometimes the freighter wins, sometimes the sailboat wins....there is never a tie!!!

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Response Posted - 05/17/2002 : 09:53:24

Using the Prudential Rule I agree that large vessels have de facto ROW over a 25' sloop; however, unless they are showing day marks or lights prescribed in Rule 27 they are not Restricted in Ability to Maneuver. BTW Dave, Teasel went on the launch list last Sat and I will be calling today to see if she's in so I can go down & tune & pin the rigging. How are you making out with spring commissioning?

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 05/17/2002 : 14:36:45

Coldducks:

I am a guy (an Oregonian at heart, but who currently resides in Southern California) who chooses to put a lot of faith in common sense by accepting the reality that way too many boaters out there do not know and/or follow the Rules.

The truth is that the great majority of boaters are considerate. That is fortunate. However, we all probably have encountered situations otherwise. I am guessing that this sailing forum is frequented by those who tend to know and follow the Rules better than the general boating population. However, my experience is that inconsiderate boaters are not relegated solely to power boats. That may not be a politically correct statement on this forum, but it is the truth.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Tray
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Response Posted - 05/17/2002 : 14:53:19

I didn't mean to spark a rules of the road debate. God knows the Navy beats them into me enough at work. My concern was about the wake caused by big powerboats. Specifically, a deliberate wake into a smaller, sailboat, by a few drunken A-holes on big cabin cruiser. It just seems to me that there should be consequences for wreckless boating (sail or power) as there are for wreckless driving. I know that the Navy has paid for damages to vessels caused by the large wake of a submarine passing. But what are the consequences for a privately owned vessel, if some damage were to occur?

If I were to be swamped again by the vessel "Irish Mist" of Amelia Island, FL (for example), who would the proper authority be to complain to? What would be the proper action to take, short of finding his boat in it's slip late at night and pelting it with eggs<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>.

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/17/2002 : 16:05:32

Tray,
The state agency whose jurisdiction it falls under is the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission.

http://floridaconservation.org/q& a/rprtviol.html

But if I were out and saw a law enforcement patrol boat, I wouldn't hesitate to pull along side and ask them what the procedure is.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
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RichardG
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Response Posted - 05/17/2002 : 17:09:20

Tray:

To the extent this boater caused damage to you and/or your boat, I would suggest documenting the event in detail so that you (and your maritime lawyer) could cause Irish Mist to rethink the way he operates his boat. His insurance company would probably be interested too. Pictures, repair and/or doctor bills, copies of applicable government statutes, written/video statements from witnesses (there may be others who he has harassed) might be a good place to start.

I normally do not endorse the idea that people should be sue-happy. However, I think this is a perfect situation where it could help teach this maritime "thug" some boating manners.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/17/2002 : 21:17:00

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Using the Prudential Rule I agree that large vessels have de facto ROW over a 25' sloop; however, unless they are showing day marks or lights prescribed in Rule 27 they are not Restricted in Ability to Maneuver. BTW Dave, Teasel went on the launch list last Sat and I will be calling today to see if she's in so I can go down & tune & pin the rigging. How are you making out with spring commissioning?
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CW: Did you read about the C-27 on the Chesapeake last year... Adrift at night by the bridge at Annapolis... Container ship ran aground trying to avoid her as the owners (husband and wife) dove into the water and were later rescued... I'd put Rule 27 where it belongs, with the chicken bones I just similarly disposed of.

Glad to hear YOU'RE ready--I just installed the new bracket for the new Honda, and need to finish the wiring hookups, fix the mast light wiring, install the mast base plate and hardware to lead lines aft, polish the hull, and put a coat on the ugly bottom (which will be redone another year). BTW, we're looking at properties in the Mystic/Groton/Stonington area... Who knows, Passage may come "home" to Noank (which still shows on her transom). The Chesapeake is our other prime candidate--a little cheaper and a little hotter... We'll watch for Teasel when we sail with our Mystic friends on Ptarmigan, their Mystic 30, or (if) Passage ends up back in the neighborhood!

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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Response Posted - 05/20/2002 : 08:52:21

Splash! Teasel went in last week and my son and I were out Saturday in foulies in the wind and wet tuning the rig, pinning the turnbuckles and setting up the boom, etc. Some fun rowing back to shore in the teeth of the wind. Dave, hope to see you when you come down our way. Good luck with the property search. I know a guy who sails out of Minnow Creek near Annapolis, and he sails his boat up here for the summer because we have better wind and not so many thunderstorms.

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jellyfish
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Response Posted - 06/05/2002 : 15:23:20

as stated before, YOU ARE LEGALLY RESPONDIABLE FOR YOUR WAKE AND ANY DAMAGE FROM YOUR WAKE. That said the only thing worst is when they blow by you a close range, waving and smiling. They are clueless as to why you shot them the bird rather than waving back. I sail the ICW almost every weekend from Pensacola to Destin, Fl. The lack of common courtesy and knowledge of boat handling never ceases to amaze me. But then again, some people just dont get it.

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Response Posted - 06/05/2002 : 16:14:50

Difficult Subject! Just a couple of thoughts that I believe have helped me. One, I become unpredictable with as to when I am going to make my next tack. I believe this keeps the other captains on the ball. I have found that trying to be nice and staying out of their way seems to invite problems. Two, How about taking a Video Camera on board when you know that you are going to be in a tight channel. Kind of just like a cop car being around, most boat owners know that they are responsible for their wake. You end up with a great record of the abusers numbers and what effect it had on your boat and passangers. Happy Sailing!

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