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southern cross
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Initially Posted - 03/20/2006 : 14:33:37

OK guys, I am doing it. I am buying either an 8hp Tohatsu or a 9.8 this week. Has anyone had any experience with delivery times from them, I need it quick. Also,I think the 8hp would be plenty of power for my c-25 but the longest shaft that it comes in is a 20" the 9.8 has a 25" option. I sail only on a local lake here in NC and other than some sizable wake from power boats in the sumertime, we have no "waves" to speak of. Should I fork over the addition 200-300 for the 9.8 with 25" shaft or not?

Thanks for the input.

Puravida,
Zach

southern cross 1982 C-25
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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 14:50:29

If it were me, I opt for the longer shaft.

Re. delivery time, I ordered a Nissan 9'8 a couple of years ago from the place in LA, I don't know what delivery time was but it was within a couple of days. Suspoect you could ask for expidited shipping and they would send in a quicker manner.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 14:58:04

have an 8hp tohatsu on Lake erie. same motor, different paint job.

no need to get more HP if your on an inland lake....I'd even consider less hp

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ct95949
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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 15:29:29

My Honda 8 only moves my boat at about 4.5 knots.I was told that a 9.9 would move it at hull speed.Is there some reason not to move the boat as fast as possible?If you have to start the moter you might as well get it over with as quick as you can.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 15:32:14

But... if you ever get the itch to venture off your lake for some coastal cruising, you'll wish you had more HP and a longer lower unit. I extended the lower unit on my 8hp tohatsu just for my occasional coastal trip.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 15:34:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ct95949
 My Honda 8 only moves my boat at about 4.5 knots. I was told that a 9.9 would move it at hull speed...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You may simply need a prop change on the 8hp to get a higher top end. My 8hp Merc' has plenty of power to get her up to speed.

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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 16:01:15

My Honda 8 HP will move my C25 fin keel at 6 knots at 1/2 throttle. You must have the wrong prop or be dragging something. My friend has a 5 HP on his C25, works just fine.

Get the 25 inch model. You'll be glad you did. I'll buy one myself from Online Outboards soon (before I get a kid in college).

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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 17:56:36

I bought my dingy motor, a Tohatsu 3.5hp 2 stroke from Online outboards and got standard shipping and had it within a few days. The motor was in stock, of course. I think they used UPS.
I also bought my old C22 a new Nissan a few years back. I ordered from Defender marine. They sent it FedEx ground.
Happy with both transactions.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 19:04:26

Prop change was mentioned...Take a look at the tohatsu and nissan sites. They have a table there somewhere that recommends the appropriate pitch for boats of our ilk.

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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 21:09:24

Here's part of an e-mail I got from Chris Collins at Online Outboards:
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You might want to mention to the guys looking for the 9.8hp long shaft 25" model that this model is dwindling in quantity fast. Every year this model goes on backorder so if anyone is planning to purchase one from the board they should get in soon or expect to be in a backorder situation come spring. We're trying to buy the remainder of these left in stock at Tohatsu/Nissan but we're only allowed so many units (gotta share). I'd rather see you guys get engines than sit on backorder lists like many guys do each year.

Thanks!!!
Chris Collins
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sales@onlineoutboards.com<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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ct95949
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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 22:03:23

Thanks for the tip on props,I'll check it out.Curious... if an 8HP moter is more than enough why do people spend the extra money on bigger moters?

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/20/2006 : 22:14:55

Different Conditions might be one reason. Sold out of 8's and backordered might be another. We used to have a 9.9 joshnson, we were going to get the same tohatsu until someone talked us out of it, telling us the 8 would do the trick...maybe some guys don't have the guy talking them out of it.

dw

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 03/21/2006 : 05:34:11

I'm not sure about the Nissan/Tohatsu/Mercury engines, but I wonder if the 8 hp and 10 hp versions of the same block size have different cams, like my Honda 8 vs. the 10 hp version. In the Honda the 8 hp cam is designed for torque at lower RPM, which is appropriate for our boats. The honda tech rep told me this in person, and to buy the 300 dollar cheaper motor.
Does anybody know if the same thing applies to the Nissan's.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 03/21/2006 : 07:46:23

The Nissan service manual shows the engines to be identical except for the carb size and the prop size. The 8 has a smaller carb diameter and smaller prop. No difference otherwise. The big issue is the lack of 25" shaft in the 8hp.

Tom.

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southern cross
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Response Posted - 03/21/2006 : 11:06:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by atgep
 The Nissan service manual shows the engines to be identical except for the carb size and the prop size. The 8 has a smaller carb diameter and smaller prop. No difference otherwise. The big issue is the lack of 25" shaft in the 8hp.

Tom.
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That was my thought as well, Tom. I wouldn't mind buying an 8hp but like so many have mentioned, the 25" shaft seems to be the way to go (just in case) so I guess I will buy the 9.8 then.

Puravida,
Zach

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budd
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Response Posted - 03/21/2006 : 16:25:30

I ordered the Tohatsu 9.8 long shaft from onlineoutboards.com yesterday. The total price with the catalina 25 Association discount came to $1904.99. could have got one for 100 dollors cheaper but it was the "Gray" model which i think means it has the shaft lever further to the rear side of the engine. The "blue" model which is the latest has a forward mounted shaft lever. They said they would be shipping within 3 days and it would go my Motor Fright truck to my "area" and then would switch to FedEx for final delevery; so will see how all this plays out within the next 10 to 14 days.
Bud

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budd
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Response Posted - 03/21/2006 : 16:27:42

That last post should be Shift lever, sorry about that
Bud

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JB
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Response Posted - 04/18/2006 : 07:06:38

Budd,

Did your motor arrive and did you use the 4-spring motor mount? Is the 4 spring "over powered?" I just bought the same motor and I'm unsure as to whether to get the 3 or 4 spring. I don't want to have to push the motor down while trying to use the lower slot.

Thanks for any information.

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Response Posted - 04/18/2006 : 15:39:04

Yes, my motor arrived just like they said it would, 10 days on the dot. I got the 9.9 xls and it looks great, Ive have not had a chance to mount it yet but did buy the 4 spring mount from Catalina Direct and will do the install when i go to the boat in late June [Boats in Wash and Iam in Calif]

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 04/19/2006 : 10:17:18

In my opinion, speed should not be an issue. We wouldn't be sailing if we were concerned about getting somewhere faster. To be able to plow through or maneuver in particularly nasty wind and wave conditions is what concerns me most. An 8 with a high thrust prop is the absolute minimum you'd want on big water. I prefer a 9.9 on Lake Superior. The only drawback is weight, particularly the 4-stroke models. An electric tilt mechanism would be a nice option.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/19/2006 : 10:46:25

Hi Budd,

A few weeks back Nissan/Tohatsu notified those of us with their motors that a new four blade prop was available. This info came after I had ordered an extra prop of a different pitch. And so I'm wondering if your motor came with the four blade prop.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936 Patchogue, N.Y.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/19/2006 : 10:51:39

Hi Al,

I agree with much of what you say with the inclusion that my new 9.8 Nissan four stroke extra long shaft with alternator weighs two pounds less than the Johnson 9.9 hp two stroke extralong shaft with alternator that it replaced

Val

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JB
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Response Posted - 04/19/2006 : 12:40:31

Nissan/Tohatsu will be shipping a 25" long 6 hp four stroke within a month or two. I was tempted to wait for it. It's so much lighter and would not require replacing the motor bracket. The season here is so short I don't want to miss a day. Current motor is a 9.9 Johnson and even in higher winds against current, I've never had it wide open. However, we're on Winnebago, on bigger lakes/ocean I'd definitaly want the extra zoom of a 9.9.

Budd, I think I'll get my motor mounted before you will, our put-in is first week of May.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/19/2006 : 16:20:26

JB,

My previous motor was a Johnson 9.9 with alternator and EXTRA long shaft and the new four stroke is using the same mount. The Johnson was two pounds heavier than the new Nissan. I saw no need to replace the mount. Works fine, but then the Admiral lets me lift the motor.

Val

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