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existentialsailor
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Initially Posted - 04/07/2006 : 14:00:34

When I took out my old halyards and ran messenger lines, I simply cut back the covers and spliced the messenger line into the core of the old halyard. My new halyards have whipping on the ends so obviously I don't want to do that.
What's the best way to get the halyards back in without damage?

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Rick

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 04/07/2006 : 14:36:35

Rick, I did about the same as you but a little different. How big are the messenger lines? I replaced my halyards with new ones. I butted the ends together and had some strong sewing thread. with needle in hand I would go thru both of the lines the rap them on both ends making a strong connection between the two. Then I took rigging tape and rapped up the ends.

It takes a little time, but you are ashured that you are not going to loose a line inside the mast.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 06:17:59

Thanks Chris, that helps.
Another question, I have an unclaimed spot on the port side of the mast. On that side is where my Jib and spinnaker halyards run, the other side is for mainsail and the pole lines for the spinnaker pole. What else would be on the port side? I imagine when I take the mast down it'll become clear, but thought you might know.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:40:48

I would like to "beef up" my main halyard, i.e. increase its diameter for better gripping for haul-up. Is there a maximum diameter, and is the factory equipped already max? I'll post this on the 250 Forum, too.

Just checked the equipped diameter: 3/8". As for the clutch, anything larger won't go through so I'll have to live with the existing halyard and always wear sailing gloves

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:49:27

Rick see the thread in the Capri section, I have the open slot too. Frank Farmer, For anything that goes up the mast I would stay as light as possible with the line you choose. Personally I use a 3/16" V-12 By New England with a larger cover on it for handling. The stuff does not stretch and the cover grips well on the winches. $$$$$

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 13:43:17

I too am replacing my halyards this year. I am changing out the original wire/rope internal to all rope internal. My question is how to attach the old wire halyard to the new rope.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 13:48:37

Unless you are very good at splicing line and wire I would let a pro do this, and for this matter why not go with all line, the newer lines that are out there are almost as strong as wire, and have very little stretching. If you go with all lines halyards you might have to change out the mast head sheaves. you might call Catalina Direct and see what everyone else has been switching to.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:00:18

I am switching to all line halyards.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I am changing out the original wire/rope internal to all rope internal.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I have also purchased new masthead sheaves from Bellpat Marine.

My question was how to attach the new "all rope halyard" to the old "wire/rope" halyard for the purpose of pulling the new halyard through the mast.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:16:22

Will your wire rope masthead sheaves accommodate a larger all rope halyard?

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:19:45

Don,

I have already purchased new sheaves designed to accomodate rope halyards.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I have also purchased new masthead sheaves from Bellpat Marine.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:25:09

Oops...When I saw your post, I thought the original poster was doing the same wire-to-rope conversion.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 18:02:25

Use a Chinese finger.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2006 : 22:18:29

sorry a miss read on my part, to change the halyards, I am guessing that you are going to have hardware and a splice at the new line ends. So this is what I would do.

get some good thread like stated before do the same with a junk piece of line to the butt end of the halyard to replace and long enough to get the rope part of the halyard to the deck, cut the wire off of the line then thread and tape the new butt of line to the old cut halyard... then thread back up into the mast and out thru the mast base. It just is going to take an extra step, you can re-use the junk line for every halyard just allot of sewing and taping, but thats how its done with out dropping the mast. It only takes a couple af seconds to take a needle and go thru the lines then rap it with tape.

Sorry for the miss read, hope this helps

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