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talw
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Initially Posted - 05/27/2002 :  14:05:40  Show Profile
We have a new member at our club (Lagoon City YC, Lake Simcoe, Ontario) with a Catalina 250 CB/waterballast model.

We have a small but fun PHRF racing program, & our PHRF district (PHRF-Lake Ontario) haven't rated the 250 yet.

What PHRF ratings have you seen, for which sail configurations, & in what locations?

Thanks in advance for any info!

Cheers,
Tal ../)../)..
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/27/2002 :  18:26:33  Show Profile
Talw - there are not too many C250's racing.
In the PHRF 2002 Handbook (hot of the press!) there are a total of 6 boats listed. The ratings ranges are as follows:-
C250 1 @ 198 (N.CA) and 2 at 216 (Galveston Bay,TX and New England).
C250 CB 1 @ 216 (Long Island Sound) and 1 @ 225 (New England)
C250 WK 1 @ 228 (New England).
On Canyon Lake we rate them all at 228 and I believe that for the 2002 Nationals they will also rate @ 228.
In my limited experience racing against the 2 on our lake, a C25TRFK is much faster than a C250 - in any wind conditions, and we rate that boat at 221.
Hope this is of some help.
Derek Crawford
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Steve Raffel
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Response Posted - 05/27/2002 :  21:25:14  Show Profile
Is the PHRF rating dependent on the jib? If it is, is the 110 the jib used for the rating?

Steve Raffel
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/27/2002 :  22:33:01  Show Profile
Steve - I can only speak for Canyon Lake PHRF and we don't adjust for size of headsail except in the Cruiser Fleet - and they set their own rules - we just give them a "base" PHRF #. The rating allows for any headsail up to 155%. As tender as a C250 is I would think that having only a 110 would be an advantage.
Derek
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ssteakley
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Response Posted - 05/28/2002 :  00:28:09  Show Profile
In the cruiser fleet at Canyon Lake, the committee awarded me with a PHF of 246, then I won a regatta with Derek Crawford aboard and so they now deducted 6 seconds.......I now race in the cruiser fleet with a 240 PHRF. I have a 99' 250WK #385, I think I could give Derek's 25 a run for the money if I had him on board,
Steve Steakley
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/28/2002 :  12:08:30  Show Profile
I hasten to point out that our Cruiser Fleet modifies each boat's "basic" PHRF according to their equipment. With roller furling they get 12 secs, with less than a 155% genoa they get 12 secs., a 2-bladed fixed prop gives them 3 secs. and a 3-blade fixed 6 secs. And if the skipper hasn't trophied in the last year he gets an additional 12 secs. So a boat that starts at, say 190, can easily get into the 200's!
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talw
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Response Posted - 05/28/2002 :  12:53:47  Show Profile
OK, this info helps a lot by pretty much confirming what I'd anticipated the boat's potential to be - slightly slower than the well-established C25TRFK.

I'll set a provisional rating & then watch the boat's performance over a few races to confirm my numbers. Base #'s will be 228 flying sails & 246 white sails - with a blade (working jib) only it'll be another 6 seconds credit...

Thanks a ton for the info!

Cheers,
Tal ../)../)..
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ssteakley
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Response Posted - 05/29/2002 :  01:31:26  Show Profile
Well the facts are that I could give "This Side Up" a run if:
1. I threw my roller furlling in the lake and added a Mylar hanked on jib, a 90%, 100%, 110%, 130%, and a 149.9%
2. Loosened up the rigging to maximize the sail trim.
3. recruit Derek to be the skipper.
4. Promise the beer of their choice to the crew after the race,
5. Have a great bottel of Sonomas best red for those who must have the best.
6. If that did not work I could invest in a high tech main with automatic drive.
Just for fun,
Steve Steakley
Moon Chaser #385
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