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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 04/29/2006 : 14:27:18

Frank,

I replied, it must not have made it to you.

My regular email is kevin@catapult.biz. kevin@rudeshirt.com should also work if you have some routing problem with kevin@catapult.biz.

I was wondering why you had not answered, just figured you were busy.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 04/29/2006 : 22:43:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 'Tis the truth!

Currently indicated interest:

Candidates for Commodore - Tentatively incumbent(s)
Candidates for Vice Commodore - Al Aeckhart
Secretary Pro Tem - Kevin Mackenzie
Candidates for Secretary - Kevin Mackenzie
Treasurer Pro Tem -
Candidates for Treasurer -
Candidates for Chief Measurer - Bill Meinert
Capri 25 Measurer Pro Tem -
Candidates for Capri 25 Measurer -

Well, at least we're making some progress. Per the May Mainsheet Magazine distribution, we have 668 active members (Yea!), and a couple of you must have some spare time to donate to a very worthy cause, so don't be shy...please step up and make a contribution.
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Are the next elections restricted to the readers of the forum?

We have over 600 association members
"...we have 668 active members (Yea!),".
It has been determined that fewer than 100 use the forum, and that approximately 50-60 (10% of the membership or less) use the forum in a consistent way.

Go ahead click on the bird.

Edited by - John G- on 04/29/2006 22:46:33

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/29/2006 : 22:52:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 Are the next elections restricted to the readers of the forum?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
This is only yeoman's work, so it shouldn't be taken as indicative of the process. We discussed the posting of the usual notice in the Mainsheet Magazine and the TellTale Newsletter in one of our last two officer and staff conference calls. If the notice wasn't in the April issue of the Mainsheet, then it will need to be in the August issue. There will, of course, be more latitude regarding timing with the publishing of the TellTale.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 04/29/2006 : 23:38:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 Are the next elections restricted to the readers of the forum?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
This is only yeoman's work, so it shouldn't be taken as indicative of the process. We discussed the posting of the usual notice in the Mainsheet Magazine and the TellTale Newsletter in one of our last two officer and staff conference calls. If the notice wasn't in the April issue of the Mainsheet, then it will need to be in the August issue. There will, of course, be more latitude regarding timing with the publishing of the TellTale.
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In response to my inquiry to all the officers as to what they wanted included in the next (May) Mainsheet.

I received this from Frank Hopper, Vice Commodore on March 15. My deadline was March 15th.

“Please refer people to the web site for information on making bids for the 07 Nationals.
I do not see any reason to bring up elections now.”

Then this thread from our Commodore appears on the forum (4/26) with the following statement;

"If I am the only remaining officer I will vote to send each member a check, dividing up the money, and shut this whole thing down! 

The recent TellTale looks great but was only announced on the forum where most forum members couldn’t figure out how to reconcile their forum passwords with their membership passwords.
We were told the TellTale would be e-mailed to the entire membership so that all members are included in Association business. It has not been sent out.

The TellTale IF e-mailed to the membership and the Mainsheet are the only way the entire membership is informed of Association business.

An open Association needs the participation of the entire membership.

Go ahead click on the bird.

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 10:05:19

Hi, John.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The recent TellTale looks great but was only announced on the forum where most forum members couldn’t figure out how to reconcile their forum passwords with their membership passwords.
We were told the TellTale would be e-mailed to the entire membership so that all members are included in Association business. It has not been sent out.

The TellTale IF e-mailed to the membership and the Mainsheet are the only way the entire membership is informed of Association business.

An open Association needs the participation of the entire membership.
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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">We have over 600 association members
"...we have 668 active members (Yea!),".
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So do each of the 668 have email addresses? If so, anyone of us could get this list and email them....including me

and I'd be happy, and more than willing, to do so (even though I'm 56 and NOT very computer literate anymore...I did buy the original IBM 8081 computer, though!

)

I'd be even willing to print up some notices and send out via the post office as needed. I'd just need a list. Oh, and stamps and envelopes, too.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 15:11:10

Let's not blow this all out of whack. The election is not until the fall. Official notices do not need to be posted until a later Mainsheet.

Jim went way overboard with the "death of the association post" We are merely trying to generate a knowledge that we will in fact need new officers so that all roles are filled. There have been issues in past years where due to sellng boats and other things we were seriously short in the filled positions.

One good thing with the rewrite of the constitution is that an officer selling his boat can hold the position for the remainder of the term.

Again, this is not the official notice.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 16:21:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Jim went way overboard with the "death of the association post"<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Uh yeah! Sometimes you have to coax people to serve, but that's true in every volunteer organization. I've never seen us unable to fill the officers positions, and nobody is going to liquidate the association.

When your approach to recruiting is to pick up a 2X4 and knock folks upside the head, you lead them to believe that the job is so bad that nobody will take it unless you threaten them.

The officers are volunteers. The way they do business is to chat about upcoming business by email, and then have monthly telephone conferences and make decisions. The officers set their own agenda. They can decide to tackle a lot of big projects, or they can decide to just take care of the association's basic functions for the year. It's their call. The members don't expect them to put the association ahead of their families and jobs. We just need people to keep the association running. Unless the officers set a big agenda for themselves, the person who has the hardest job is the person who organizes the national regatta, and that usually isn't one of the officers. I've served as an officer in a number of volunteer organizations, and this was, by far, the easiest.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 20:00:25

You are correct Steve. Think of this as a general announcement to start thinking about running in the fall. We needed to fill the secratarial slot, but we have since gotten a volunteer and the officers have voted on him.

Jim was really hyped about the big race when he posted this initially. We will be formally calling for nominations soon enough.

dw

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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 20:32:37

What accounting software is the Treasurer using?

>>I did buy the original IBM 8081 computer, though!<<

I still have my Commodore 64 in a box in the attic!

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 21:00:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ben - FL
 What accounting software is the Treasurer using?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Quickbooks Pro for bookkeeping and VersaCheck for check writing, both of which belong to the association.

Edited by - Sea Trac on 04/30/2006 21:01:47

JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 10:10:07

I'm glad to see some progress has been made while I've been away. In reality, the job is not too hard. We handle most business by email. We have a monthly staff meeting via conference call. We write columns for the Mainsheet and TellTale.

I'm willing to stay on 1 more year. Yes there are sometimes disgruntled members but there are also those who praise us.

Try to see my point of view when, the very night before I started this post, I learned that the entire officer corps was planning on stepping down, 2 already having resigned.

We still need a CFO.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 19:18:00

Jim,
IMO You did the association a huge service by stepping up to run for and serve as Commodore.
The association has gone through a terrific transformation under your leadership. Not just the forum, which has become a mainstay of many of us, but the bylaws, the racing rules, and the inclusion of the Capri’s. These changes will enhance the association for years to come.
Your frustration at seeing some of the officers step aside is understandable.
I truly believe that if we tap the strength of the entire membership there are good, talented owners who can fill these positions and make this association grow and serve all the owners.
I work with all the fleet Captains and there are well organized fleets that have tremendous activities and very active members. The focus on the local fleets can pay off in many ways, including bring serious people to front.
Let’s use our resources to contact the membership and tap the talents that must lay in the 668 members of this great association.

Welcome back safe and sound.

Go ahead click on the bird.

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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 19:24:21

I have been using QB Pro for probably seven or eight years now for my small construction company. But I'm not familiar with VersaCheck. However if someone is willing to nominate me for treasurer, I will volunteer for a year.
In my small business I am the majority stockholder, chairman of the BOD, president, secretary, treasurer, project manager, superintendent, foreman, and chief gopher.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 19:33:54

I will heartily nominate you. Captain Ben. Have a great race and pray for wind!!!!!!

Tom.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 19:58:13

Second!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 21:15:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 
Jim,
IMO You did the association a huge service by stepping up to run for and serve as Commodore.
The association has gone through a terrific transformation under your leadership. Not just the forum, which has become a mainstay of many of us, but the bylaws, the racing rules, and the inclusion of the Capri’s. These changes will enhance the association for years to come.
Your frustration at seeing some of the officers step aside is understandable.
I truly believe that if we tap the strength of the entire membership there are good, talented owners who can fill these positions and make this association grow and serve all the owners.
I work with all the fleet Captains and there are well organized fleets that have tremendous activities and very active members. The focus on the local fleets can pay off in many ways, including bring serious people to front.
Let’s use our resources to contact the membership and tap the talents that must lay in the 668 members of this great association.

Welcome back safe and sound.

Go ahead click on the bird.
 

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John - lighten up. We will inform the entire membership. You ride everyones ass on this issue every year. We haven't forgotten I am not sure why you get off on this annually and why you feel the need to be the advocate for those who don't participate on the web. They are doing fine on their own, they get their mainsheet and their telltale. They are informed. If they want more, they all know where to get it. Over 50% of our renewals our via paypal, so people have the access. Your numbers quoted above are seriously flawed.

I do ask you to take a peak at the January 2005 Telltale. The MAINSHEET IS NOT the method of announcing the call for nominations If you read up on everything you will see that it is only for the call for elections. It also states that the call for nominations will take place in August so again this is only a "start thinking about it" memo.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 22:25:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 Are the next elections restricted to the readers of the forum?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
This is only yeoman's work, so it shouldn't be taken as indicative of the process. We discussed the posting of the usual notice in the Mainsheet Magazine and the TellTale Newsletter in one of our last two officer and staff conference calls. If the notice wasn't in the April issue of the Mainsheet, then it will need to be in the August issue. There will, of course, be more latitude regarding timing with the publishing of the TellTale.
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In response to my inquiry to all the officers as to what they wanted included in the next (May) Mainsheet.

I received this from Frank Hopper, Vice Commodore on March 15. My deadline was March 15th.

“Please refer people to the web site for information on making bids for the 07 Nationals.
I do not see any reason to bring up elections now.”

Then this thread from our Commodore appears on the forum (4/26) with the following statement;

"If I am the only remaining officer I will vote to send each member a check, dividing up the money, and shut this whole thing down! 

The recent TellTale looks great but was only announced on the forum where most forum members couldn’t figure out how to reconcile their forum passwords with their membership passwords.
We were told the TellTale would be e-mailed to the entire membership so that all members are included in Association business. It has not been sent out.

The TellTale IF e-mailed to the membership and the Mainsheet are the only way the entire membership is informed of Association business.

An open Association needs the participation of the entire membership.
 

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John, my response to you was the official response of the board to your question, the histrionics of the title of this thread is unfortunate but seems to have had the desired effect of generating great qualified people to fill some open positions. The elections are a while off and until the nominations are closed no really knows what they are talking about regarding who is running and who isn't. OOPS

I am sure that the Commodore will do the group email of the TellTale when he gets around to it.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 22:53:10

“John, my response to you was the official response of the board to your question”

My point exactly.

Go ahead click on the bird.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 22:53:37

My personal opinion is that the officers of this association should be people that are actively involved with the association and with as many other members of the association as possible, as opposed to someone that no one in the association has ever heard of before. Due to the nature of this association (i.e., not a physical clubhouse), this forum acts as the metaphorical clubhouse for the association's members. Would you cast your vote for a candidate that never visited the clubhouse nor socialized with the other members?

Currently indicated interest:

Candidates for Commodore - Tentatively incumbent(s)
Candidates for Vice Commodore - Al Aeckhart
Secretary Pro Tem - Kevin Mackenzie
Candidates for Secretary - Kevin Mackenzie
Treasurer Pro Tem -
Candidates for Treasurer - Ben ? from Florida
Candidates for Chief Measurer - Bill Meinert
Capri 25 Measurer Pro Tem -
Candidates for Capri 25 Measurer -

To those that have thrown their hats in the ring, thank you very much! To those that haven't, how about offering a little competition to those that have done so thus far.

Edited by - Sea Trac on 05/01/2006 23:04:08

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 23:01:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 “John, my response to you was the official response of the board to your question”

My point exactly.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
However, the question was whether to mention the election in the April issue of the Mainsheet or to wait until the July issue.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 23:02:59

I hereby and enthusiastically nominate Duane Wolff for Commodore for the 2006-2007 term.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 23:09:39

“…this forum acts as the metaphorical clubhouse for the association's members. Would you cast your vote for a candidate that never visited the clubhouse nor socialized with the other members?”
.”

IMO This attitude will result in the membership shrinking to the 10% that use the forum, and losing the incredibly talented and vibrant members who are members of active fleets who look to the association for leadership and organization.
It could also result in the revenue shrinking (to 10%) to the point that that association will not be able to exist.

Go ahead click on the bird.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 23:17:40

Edited by - John G- on 05/01/2006 23:21:14

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 23:29:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 
“…this forum acts as the metaphorical clubhouse for the association's members. Would you cast your vote for a candidate that never visited the clubhouse nor socialized with the other members?”
.”

IMO This attitude will result in the membership shrinking to the 10% that use the forum, and losing the incredibly talented and vibrant members who are members of active fleets who look to the association for leadership and organization.
It could also result in the revenue shrinking (to 10%) to the point that that association will not be able to exist. 
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, John, and it would be nice if you would allow that others are entitled to their own, as well.

"This attitude..." No attitude, just personal opinion.

Regarding your 10% figure, where precisely are you obtaining your statistics?

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 23:39:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 
May issue THEN August.

The next ones not till November.

Elections are in what, Sept.? So only a couple of weeks to get nominations from the membership?

How long have you been a member? February, May, August and November.
The May issue was the time to ask for nominations but...
"The board said to wait!!" 
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You seem to have contradicted yourself, John. Is the next issue August or November? I believe that it is August, and given the almost instantaneous nature of email and this forum, a couple of weeks is plenty of time for those interested in participating to do so.

To the best of my knowledge, the election period has always been September. It's not the association's fault that Eagle Limited publishes and distributes the Mainsheet in late August, and we are attempting to nullify the unfortunate affect of that publishing schedule by utilizing the other tools at our disposal.

Your criticism is completely premature, as the bylaws state:

"The incumbent Secretary, by any means deemed effective and appropriate by the incumbent Officers, shall issue a call for nominations by August 7 (self-nominations acceptable) and shall distribute ballots prior to September 7."

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