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djn
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Initially Posted - 06/09/2006 : 07:37:06

Hi All, I had the fiberglass guy come out and give me an estimate to fix the bow pulpit stantion and we found that the whole fordeck is rotten. Starting from just behind the forestay back to the anchor locker. When I felt up underneth that section, from the anchor locker, I only found rotted wood, not fiberglass. I appears to be not sandwiched like other areas of the boat. Is this normal? The estimate to fix that is $3500.00 that is more than half the value of the boat. Cheers.

Dennis
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S.E. Michigan

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/09/2006 : 09:19:43

$3500!!!!

Assuming $50/hr, he is saying that the repair will take about 70 hours (thats nearly 1/2 month working full time)? I don't think so. What's he billing per hour?

I'd fix the underside myself... scrape out all the rotted wood, cut a new piece of ply to fit up in there, saturate with epoxy. Use epoxy to glue it up in place then cover the bottom side with glass cloth /epoxy.

Doesn't have to be pretty on the underside.

For sure I would retrofit a new-style C25 stem fitting.. the one that picks up the main hull structure as support.

Then have the fiberglass guy make the pulpit repair pretty on the outside.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/09/2006 : 09:22:24

Tell him his name, the price, and the results of the fix are the end of the Latts and Atts article.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 06/09/2006 : 09:42:54

Dennis,

This is an easy repair. Here's a link to a recent thread in which I described the technique I used to fix it on my C-25: [[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12607"]click here[/url]]. If you need more detailed info, let us know.

-- Leon Sisson

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 06/09/2006 : 09:51:48

" Tell him his name, the price, and the results of the fix are the end of the Latts and Atts article."

That's a great solution!

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djn
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Response Posted - 06/09/2006 : 10:16:50

Hi Leon, thanks for the link. I know exactly what I am going to do now.

Hi Frank, that's a great idea. But after reading Leon's thread, I am going to take the $3500.0 estimate to my insurance company I have a high deductable, and do the work myself. CHeers.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/09/2006 : 14:01:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 Tell him his name, the price, and the results of the fix are the end of the Latts and Atts article.
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Pretty cunning Frank.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 06/09/2006 : 15:20:57

Dennis - sorry to hear about this latest turn of events.
This is a repair I'd probably attempt myself. First thing I'd do is take some high definition pictures, then post them here for further opinions.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">fhopper@mac.com Posted - 06/09/2006 : 09:22:24
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Tell him his name, the price, and the results of the fix are the end of the Latts and Atts article <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

this is serious stuff, but Frank's comment made me laugh out loud.

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 06/09/2006 : 17:11:40

Detroit Lumber will have some excellent marine plywood for your repair.
They're real close to you.
Dan

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 06/11/2006 : 13:37:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 
Assuming $50/hr....
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The only fiberglass repair shop in Sacramento that will take sailboats charges $100/hr. Even the cheapest privately owned car repair shops in town are charging $90/hr., the name-brand dealerships (Ford, Chrysler, GM) are $125/hr. Back in the late '80's, I had a Mac 25 for a couple of years, and got T-boned one July 4th weekend by a 19' powerboat. His bow eye ripped an 8" long gash on my cockpit coaming and smashed the portside genoa winch. Because the damage was in an area of decking with molded in non-skid, the repair was "more complicated" than if it was on smooth gelcoat; the estimate was $3500. My insurance (State Farm] gave me a check for only the depreciated value, $1800

, so I ended up having to do the repairs myself. I was unable to match the non-skid, so the repaired area was smooth, but strong enough I guess. BTW, if I had been sitting a couple feet further forward in the cockpit that day, I might not be here today writing this. Everyone in my boat was looking at something off the starboard side at that moment and none of saw the powerboat coming, it just hit us out of the blue.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/11/2006 : 14:28:47

>"The only fiberglass repair shop in Sacramento that will take sailboats charges $100/hr."

That's $800 a day.
That's $17,600 per standard month.
That's $211,200 per employee/year.
Any guesses on how much they actually pay those employees?

I'm in the wrong business.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/11/2006 : 18:39:11

I was initially going to say the good guys probably get 25 bucks an hour, .....BUT Good, experienced fiberglass guys aren't employees. They are owners.

The good guys are usually the smart guys, the smart guys do the math you just did and think about having 3 boats in their shop at all times -Then they go off on their own. granted you don't get hit for 800 dollars of labor just because it's there, but they still can do the math.

So

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