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jaclasch
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Initially Posted - 08/20/2006 :  12:26:04  Show Profile
While doing as little teak maintenance in the cabin, I removed the panel below the table. This is what I saw.



Naturally I had to have a look inside. In the area behind and under the head housing was a large pile of fiberglass debris. Using a borrowed shop vacuum I filled half the container with leftovers from cutting fiberglass. I took the panel off yesterday to take a picture and found a little pile I had missed but you can get an idea of the material I am talking about.



So I have these questions. Do all C25s have the two holes in this location? What would account for all that waste material in that location? Does it come from last minute fitting when joining hull, deck and liner? Has anyone else found that much crud on their boat?

I am interested to know if my boat is the exception or if this is common.
James
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 08/20/2006 :  12:43:37  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
Must be just early 80's fin keels. My 88' wing has solid bulkhead under the table.

Check behind-under your sink. You'll most likely find more fiberglass residue there as well.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/20/2006 :  13:45:25  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
The only other place I have seen them was on an 84 fin.
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djn
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Response Posted - 08/20/2006 :  14:42:14  Show Profile
They look like speaker holes to me.
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DanM
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Response Posted - 08/20/2006 :  17:07:32  Show Profile  Visit DanM's Homepage
I would think speaker holes, too. Maybe an unfinished project. Is/was there a stereo mounted elsewhere? Can't remember if my '85 has a panel, but will check tomorrow for a comparison.
As for waste material, there always seems to be a few scraps of sawdust and fiberglass waste appearing from under my cabin sole when I check the bilge. (Thankfully, the bilge is almost always dry!
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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 08/21/2006 :  05:25:38  Show Profile
James, my '83 fin keel tall rig has a solid bulkhead under the table.

Those holes do look like an unfinished speaker project, but is it possible that a P.O. cut those holes and put the panel there to make some kind of repairs, hence all that excess material?

On the other hand it wouldn't suprise me if someone at the factory used that usually totally unaccessable area as a sort of "garbage can", kind of like sweeping excess material used during construction "under the rug" so to speak.

It's not unheard of in boat construction and so when the P.O. cut the holes for the speakers, you found the stuff.

That's my guess since there doesn't seem to be any evidence of repairs there.
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ajada
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Response Posted - 08/21/2006 :  05:38:23  Show Profile
Those two hole on my '82 Tall #3160 provide acces to the two thru hull fittings for the SR Mariner log and depth transducers.
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britinusa
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Response Posted - 08/21/2006 :  06:30:00  Show Profile  Visit britinusa's Homepage
Remember that story of the Rat on the boat some while ago. Perhaps the holes were cut as a way out

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dblitz
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Response Posted - 08/21/2006 :  15:25:59  Show Profile
I don't know about speaker holes. They look awfully close together and low for stereo sound, also too low and close to the bilge.
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DanM
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Response Posted - 08/23/2006 :  07:31:03  Show Profile  Visit DanM's Homepage
I found my '85 does have the teak panel, but did not check for holes behind it because we had guests with children anxious to sail. The panel needs refinishing, so it will come off soon.
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jaclasch
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Response Posted - 08/20/2007 :  16:54:07  Show Profile
Here it is a year later and I found a use for these holes (the one on the port side anyway) The marine head needs to be replaced and you can reach under far enough to put nuts on through-bolts and get rid of the lag screws.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 :  06:49:33  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
Those actually look very similar to a mod that was done a while back in the tech tips section....
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 :  07:20:26  Show Profile
Duane's picture is looking aft at the quarterberth, where there's open space under the berth. James's picture looks like somebody used a hole saw to make access to head connections or something. When the hole saw punched through, it dumped its cup fulls of fiberglass chaff into the compartment. (I don't know where half a shop-vac of chaff came from! )
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 :  19:46:26  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
True - I didn't mean to suggest they were the same holes, just that they were of similar size and reminded me of that mod.

I can't recall what kind of holes the dinette had for head fittings, but they were in the same general location, as the tank would have been right under the settee which would be located at those spots.
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ajada
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Response Posted - 08/29/2007 :  05:58:58  Show Profile
I, too, have these cutouts. They provide access to the two thru-hulls for knot and depth guages. Makes sense to me.

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