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What is 0 (zero) designator in C250?

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Scooter
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Initially Posted - 09/09/2006 : 20:50:19

What does the 250, 320, etc... mean for Catalinas? Is it cabin design, hull design????

Anybody know?

Scooter
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Vandemere NC.

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djn
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Response Posted - 09/09/2006 : 20:54:10

Hi Scooter, I think it is the length just like your C25 is a 25 footer the C250 is the newer 25 footer. So it might be the mk II versions. This is just a guess. Cheers.

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Response Posted - 09/09/2006 : 22:41:45

Yep, in a few years they'll bring out a C2500.

It'll be made of carbon fiber, all the electrics will be digital/led. It'll have a solar powered LED cooker that'll recharge overnight from moonbeams. The keel will be inflateable, the hull will have hydroplanes. The max speed will be in excess of 30kts in 10-15winds. It'll point directly into wind. All sails will be furled, the mast will be shroudless. It'll have built in water maker, and a disintegrator head. All lines will be nanotech so there'll never be a need to adjust them for tide, in fact they will automatically mate with the dock cleats. The v-berth will automatically extend and the q-berth will have storage that folds into the hull spaces. The wheel will fold to a tiller at the touch of a remote. The rudder will maintain a heading on demand.

And the whole boat will weigh less than 500lbs so that it can be towed with a 500cc dual fuel msuv (mini suv).

paul.

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djn
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Response Posted - 09/09/2006 : 23:18:53

....and cost only $19.95....that's right only $19.95 and if you act now, we will through in this .......

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 09/11/2006 : 12:28:39

...and you sail it from your living room PC. You don't even have to go down to the dock.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 09/11/2006 : 15:29:22

It is not an MKII it is a different mold entirely moreover a completely different boat.

Unlike Automobiles, a 1978 Catalina 25 was essentially the same as a 1985. The mold was pretty darn identical. A new 1995 Corvette is no where near the looks of a 1978 corvette – but the industry standard was different year pretty much had different looks…

The industry standard for boats really didn’t progress along the same vein.

Essentially, boat makers wanted to come out with new models, but the naming conventions were that you name your boat after the length. The general marketing of boat brands – specifically sailboats -- doesn’t normally include a model name. We don’t have a civic, an accord and a CRV or Element as Honda would. You have a 25, a 30, 34 etc. Many builders began to throw a zero at the end of it sans the decimal point. To differentiate. (beneteaus, tartans, and others have added 0’s as well)

A Catalina 250 has many of the same visual “lines” that you see in the 25, however the hull is a different mold. And the Interior is a world apart.

You also might see guys here who use the MK (stands for mark, short for the mark someone would make in the mold.) for the 25’s. I along with many others don’t subscribe to this designation for a number of reasons – First it opens the possibility to devalue an otherwise good boat, second, there was never a change to the mold and third, there was never a change to the boats as they were titled….but we’ve agreed to disagree on this and they still use the designation.

In short you get the new (very very different) version of the boat when you get the 0. Most would consider any comparison between the two to be apples and Oranges.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 09/12/2006 : 09:29:32

Way to go Duane.

Val on Calista # 3936, Patchogue, N.Y.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 09/12/2006 : 10:23:05

From Kent Nelson at Catalina: <font color="blue">We made the first Catalina 25 in October of 1976 and stopped making them at hull #6031 in April of 1991. We came out with a new 25 foot boat the Catalina 250 in June of 1994 and are still making it at our Florida plant. They have different hull molds and interiors and we wanted to make sure there was a distinction between the two, hence the '0' at the end of 25.</font id="blue">

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/12/2006 : 10:58:16

How many molds in a Catalina 25?
Hull
deck
hull liner
deck liner

Analysis
Hull: unchanged, less addition of factory wing and removal of transom cut-out.
Deck: changed twice, once around 86 when windows and coamings were redesigned and again for the 89 when virtually everything was changed from the anchor locker, genoa tracks, toe rails and stanchions, coamings, pop-top, teak rail molding, stern rail design and many more nuances.
Hull liner: changed twice, the big change was for the 89 flat floor.
Deck liner: changed with the two deck changes.

The rigs were never redesigned but they were re-spec'ed for internal halyards and painted spars.

The Catalina 22 was given a Mark II designation when 4" was added to the beam above the waterline, (beneath the waterline was unchanged). Marketing has phases and fads, I think that the 89 would have had a new mark designation had that marketing been in vogue at the time.

In conclusion, when looking at boats the two controlling issues are condition and features; a boat in good condition with the features you value is worth more to you than a lesser boat. A caveat would be that a boat you own free and clear is worth more to you than any other.

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Response Posted - 09/12/2006 : 19:36:46

Paul.

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