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Frank Hopper
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Pitcairn Island
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Initially Posted - 09/29/2006 :  16:15:38  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
In the past there has been questions about how to fly a alternate sail when you have a furler. This is a photo from last weekend where I am flying a drifter by simply hauling the head with my halyard and attaching the tack to the bow stem. I need to take the hanks off but is sets just fine and comes within 10 degrees of of my usual close haul.


This was later in the day when the sky was full of dark clouds but bright clear sunshine would get through, it made the masts almost neon. It doesn't really come though but I like the photo anyway.
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Turk
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Response Posted - 09/29/2006 :  16:22:04  Show Profile  Visit Turk's Homepage
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<br />In the past there has been questions about how to fly a alternate sail when you have a furler. This is a photo from last weekend where I am flying a drifter by simply hauling the head with my halyard and attaching the tack to the bow stem. I need to take the hanks off but is sets just fine and comes within 10 degrees of of my usual close haul.

This was later in the day when the sky was full of dark clouds but bright clear sunshine would get through, it made the masts almost neon. It doesn't really come though but I like the photo anyway.

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I was gonna ask you how you flew that thing. What is it's size and where and how much was it? I'd like to get one for my Cat 250 for next year. I haqve one question though, when racing, is it allowed if in a non spinnaker race? Especially if it is used during the whole race (keep the jib furled).
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tmhansen
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Response Posted - 09/30/2006 :  01:34:58  Show Profile  Visit tmhansen's Homepage
Thanks for the photo. Most of the time our little undersized jib works well for us since its usually blowing pretty well but sometimes I wish we had more. That looks easy to set up and use.

Frank, how do you like your kayak now that you have had it awhile? The admiral wants a kayak she can deal with by herself - load it on the car etc. Her birthday and Christmas are coming up. Do you mostly use the peddals or the paddle?
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britinusa
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Response Posted - 09/30/2006 :  07:19:00  Show Profile  Visit britinusa's Homepage
Frank, that second photo is a winner!
Here in 'GottaHavaPowerBoat' land, we rarely see more than a couple of poles in marinas, and then they are mostly on one boat!
Great photograph, where was it taken?

paul.
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/30/2006 :  10:38:14  Show Profile
Thanks for the new desktop background, Frank! Great photo!
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djn
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Response Posted - 09/30/2006 :  18:24:25  Show Profile
Great shots Frank. The mast and tree line really pop. Some thing wierd is going on here. This is the second time I've posted this note. I have no idea where the first one went. Cheers.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/30/2006 :  23:16:47  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Turk,
Sails are measured at the LP so I think the weight is irrelevant, With a 250 I would not be surprised if a 150 1.5-3 oz wouldn't be fine, remember in light air you want a light sail so a 150 may fly better than a 170, the weight of the cloth is a durability issue. You have a 135 that is probably 5 oz.

Todd,
I love the kayak, do I use it as often as i should; no. I tend to paddle, if I were dealing with a current I would be glad I had the peddles but on my lake I think I would have been just as happy with a much cheaper paddle only sit-upon. It is too heavy to cartop without help and a hell of a "system" so I spent another $800 on an aluminum trailer, that is about $2700 on the boat and trailer, I can't say it was a good deal; but yeah, I like it.

Paul, I sail at a sailboat only club you are looking at the middle of two of the 5 docks. http://www.ninnescah.org/aerial3.jpg

JB,
I have a much higher res if you want it.

Thanks Dennis, I often type things in the quick reply are then click on an arrow instead of submit. I think i have posted but have not.
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ct95949
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Response Posted - 10/01/2006 :  10:34:02  Show Profile
Frank-
I've wanted to try this ever since I rigged my 110 furler. My main concern was that since my 150 hoists to the top of the mast rigging it inside the furler would leave to much luff length. Did you rig yours in front of the furler and if so was it easy to tack it over the furled sail ? Did you hoist with a spin halyard block ?
Thanks ,Craig
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/01/2006 :  10:42:49  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
I have a CDI furler which uses an internal halyard, leaving my stock headsail halyard available for the drifter or what ever. It is tacked to the bow stem inside the furler and I tacked the sail like any other genoa. There are so many variations to furlers and such that my situation seems to make it easy. If I had a furler that used my halyard and needed a offset at the top I do not know what I would do. I have seen a catalina 25 with an exit block about 10 inches below the masthead with a spare internal halyard exiting there, whether that would leave enough for a full hoist drifter would depend on the drifter.
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