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Renzo
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Initially Posted - 11/09/2006 : 07:21:05

Has anyone installed shore power wiring on their boat from scratch? How difficult of a job was it and how much did it cost? Do you know if any directions have been published to do this kind of job on a C-25?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 10:20:25

If I had a boat with no shore power input socket I would take the dock power location and type of service outlet into account. There is not a lot of point in spending a lot of money for a 30 amp marine cable if you are just going to convert it to 15-20 amp at the dock. I use a 30 amp pigtail on my boat and run a heavy duty 20 amp extension cord to the dock outlet. Shore power sockets are everywhere on boats these days and I would consider putting one in my anchor locker given the choice. How much experience do you have with them? If they are in an awkward location it is very difficult to get the 30 amp connector threaded correctly.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 10:26:34

Assuming the 50 amp (or whatever) switch is on the dock and the appropriate drills and saws etc.

50 bucks for a shore power cable Ebay is the greatest source for these.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Marinco-Shore-Power-30A-125V-50-Power-Cable-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26449QQihZ006QQitemZ160010191717QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

10-15 bucks for the chrome outlet that goes in the hole you will be drilling into the boat.

150 bucks for the AC panel with a main and 3 switches.
30 bucks Miscellanous wire and stuff

$100 - MF factor - Roughly ten bucks per time you say MF I forgot about that.

Roughly 350 bucks –

Outlets, Battery Charger or other hardwired AC items are extra.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 11:44:26

Frank - That is what I do presently. I use a 20amp extension cord run from a 30amp pigtail and it has been sufficent for the past 23 years; but lately I have been thinking (that always gets me in trouble!) that I was missing something by not having a perminent shore power installation on the boat. I question locating the socket in the anchor locker though, it might be convienient but what about flooding the locker when washing the deck or during a heavy rain. And the potential for damage from a shifting anchor.

Duane - Thanks for the pricing on the hardware I'm still wondering how difficult it would be to do a nice job of wiring without tearing up the boat innards.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 14:27:46

So Duane, the MF factor is .40E where E is the original estimate for the job? I like it! So true...

-Kevin

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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 15:24:26

Not necessarily, there is the Beer to Difficulty factor, the law of experience which states that you will have only 10% of the same mistakes plus an equal number of new ones, the Cost to correct factor which indicates the money it is going to cost to repair the mistakes and the professional labor factor which is the amount it would have cost you to have a professional do it right the first time. All of those will directly influence the MF factor.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 17:33:18

OK! OK! You guys convinced me. I was a fool for not having shore power installed when I first bought the boat. So screw the whole idea and I'll just install a second battery. Or, better yet I'll buy a second battery keep it charged at home and swap it out with the on board battery once a week. that way I'll always have a fresh battery and it won't add any extra weight to the boat.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/09/2006 : 20:02:11

Not at all trying to convince you. this is actually a very simple project. The above dissertation applies to all projects. This one requires one hole in the boat, one hole in the bulkhead.

It is a really easy task, send me an email and I'll get you some of the details of what we did.

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djn
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 05:27:04

Hi Larry, you can come look at my boat any time. I have shore power and an onboard charger. I'll also lend you a great book on sailboat power, both AC and DC. Cheers.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 07:04:48

Duane and Dennis - Thanks I will take you both up on your offers.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 10:27:12

My 30A power inlet is located just forward of the coaming winch and just aft of the Catalina logo on the slanted transition. I find it to be a very good location for it.

I replaced the inlet with a Marinco SS 30A power inlet that I bought off eBay. It was NIB and I think I paid around $50.00 for it.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 11:50:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 My 30A power inlet is located just forward of the coaming winch and just aft of the Catalina logo on the slanted transition. I find it to be a very good location for it.

I replaced the inlet with a Marinco SS 30A power inlet that I bought off eBay. It was NIB and I think I paid around $50.00 for it.

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I miss that spot, 89s don't have it, our ended up in the coaming pocket, way too hard to use hence my pigtail stays threaded on.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 13:18:06

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Originally posted by dlucier

My 30A power inlet is located just forward of the coaming winch and just aft of the Catalina logo on the slanted transition. I find it to be a very good location for it.

Don - That sounds like a much better location than where I was planning (through the cabin top wall just behind the head portlight on the starboard side)It is stronger and closer to where the panel would go. Did you install it on the starboard or port side? And is the shore power cable ever in your way getting on or off the boat? Did you need to purchace an extra long cable because the socket is so far back on the boat

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 13:42:10

Hi Lorenzo,

I looked through my old photos and dug up this one that shows where the shore power hooks up to my boat. I'm not sure how long my shore power cord is, but I'd guess it's about 25 feet. For the time being, I've only got one A/C outlet in the galley, so it's a short run from the back of the plug-in socket to the A/C outlet.

'Hope this helps you figure out what you want to do with yours ... good luck!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 18:13:51

here is where we have ours. It is in the same spot as buzz however I note it because the telephone plug (not used by us) is in the picture ....it gives an alternate location.

ps - buzz I might have looked lite in the loafers in the other post, but you try showing up in that outfit to a commodores ball and then have 9 jameson's on the rocks......

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 18:20:29

My shore plug is inside the coaming on the back wall. Two outlets - One near the galley and the other just in front of the quarterberth area.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 18:36:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OLarryR
 My shore plug is inside the coaming on the back wall. Two outlets - One near the galley and the other just in front of the quarterberth area.
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 20:21:47

ps - buzz I might have looked lite in the loafers in the other post, but you try showing up in that outfit to a commodores ball and then have 9 jameson's on the rocks...... Duane

Duane ... I'd have to have 9 Jameson's on the rocks before I could show up at a commodore's ball dressed like that!

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djn
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Response Posted - 11/10/2006 : 22:01:19

Mine is in the same place as Duanes and Buzzes. Cheers.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 11/11/2006 : 09:19:16

Thanks for all the great pictures and help. With one exception, it seems that the favored location is just foward of the port side winch.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/11/2006 : 10:07:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Renzo
 Thanks for all the great pictures and help. With one exception, it seems that the favored location is just foward of the port side winch.
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The ports side outside coaming face is the preferred location if you have that location. Those of us with it in the coaming pocket have different decks and the facet on the outside in front of the winch location is not large enough on our boats. See how short that area is here? With the 16st bolts under there as well a socket will not fit. It would also compromise the opening on deck at the end of our inboard genoa track so we could not change cars.

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