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frich
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Initially Posted - 06/25/2002 : 07:42:32

It seems that my starboard side external rope halyard has somehow passed over the metal divider at the masthead. In doing this I am unable to raise my mainsail to the top.

I do have a port halyard that appears to be fine, question i have is other than climbing the mast has anyone any ideas on getting the halyard back in position.

I thought I might try tie a knot in the port halyard raise it (undersinde of starboard halyard) and see if i can pull it over by walking the halyard out on my dock to the starboard side.

I appreciate any ideas.

Frank Rich
84 C25 SK

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jm
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 09:29:33

It's worth a try, but you might end up de-railing/de-sheaving the other one in the process, at which point I think the only options are "up you go".. or "down she comes"..

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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 09:29:34

Hi Frank,

My least favorite boating enterprise is trying to do what you are trying to do. I've found success using a "pigstick" attached to the other halyard. In your case it would be best to have a ring at the top of the stick passed over the offending halyard so that when the stick is raised it will lift the line back into the groove. The stick might best be attached by taping it to the lifting line. The stick should be attached so that when the halyard is fully raised the stick can go above the sheave, else it won't be able to do its job.
The ring might also be replaced with a forked piece that will contain the offending halyard.
Let me know how it works, should you decide to try it.

Val on "CALISTA" #3936
Tall Wing '83
Patchogue, N.Y.

Val Bisagni

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 10:39:39

Try this one on for size.

First, since you only have 1 halyard left, that leaves no halyard for a safety line if you go up in a bosun's chair. Do any of the marinas or yacht clubs around you have a coffing lift with a crane. Most of the larger marninas have one.

If you know any members of those marinas, see if they will help you out. If you don't take a sail over to their marina, pull right up, dock your boat and act like you belong. Have someone hoist youup on the crane and make your repairs, then leave. I would put money on it that fellow sailors would come over to help before they even think about asking if you belong.

If your on an inland lake that has none of these amenities, your only remaining option is drop the mast. It shouldn't take you more than 20 minutes. However, make sure when you drop it that the end that requires the repair is within reach. (i.e. you may need to back into your slip.) Try to tie off your boat with a minimum of 6 lines, 8 if possible, 2 bow on each side, 2 spring on each side if you can. The last thing you need is for her to start rocking when you are trying put put the stick back up.

While she is down, give her a complete inspection, change your masthead bulb, make sure your antenae connection is solid, check if your sheaves need to be replaced. Check all your cotter pins/rings etc. You might as well get this all covered while you can.

DW

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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frich
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 13:28:22

Val I will try this good idea! If u see a "pigstick" rocketing skyward this saturday its because i have tuggerd to hard and it broke loose. You may see this since I am in Patchogue also.

Hi Frank,

My least favorite boating enterprise is trying to do what you are trying to do. I've found success using a "pigstick" attached to the other halyard. In your case it would be best to have a ring at the top of the stick passed over the offending halyard so that when the stick is raised it will lift the line back into the groove. The stick might best be attached by taping it to the lifting line. The stick should be attached so that when the halyard is fully raised the stick can go above the sheave, else it won't be able to do its job.
The ring might also be replaced with a forked piece that will contain the offending halyard.
Let me know how it works, should you decide to try it.

Val on "CALISTA" #3936
Tall Wing '83
Patchogue, N.Y.

Val Bisagni
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frich
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 13:32:07

Duane
I think I will try Vals idea with the pigstick, I do have a fellow sailor who has offered his son as a guinea pig to be hoisted aloft. I leave that for a last alternative.

Thanks
Frank
Try this one on for size.

First, since you only have 1 halyard left, that leaves no halyard for a safety line if you go up in a bosun's chair. Do any of the marinas or yacht clubs around you have a coffing lift with a crane. Most of the larger marninas have one.

If you know any members of those marinas, see if they will help you out. If you don't take a sail over to their marina, pull right up, dock your boat and act like you belong. Have someone hoist youup on the crane and make your repairs, then leave. I would put money on it that fellow sailors would come over to help before they even think about asking if you belong.

If your on an inland lake that has none of these amenities, your only remaining option is drop the mast. It shouldn't take you more than 20 minutes. However, make sure when you drop it that the end that requires the repair is within reach. (i.e. you may need to back into your slip.) Try to tie off your boat with a minimum of 6 lines, 8 if possible, 2 bow on each side, 2 spring on each side if you can. The last thing you need is for her to start rocking when you are trying put put the stick back up.

While she is down, give her a complete inspection, change your masthead bulb, make sure your antenae connection is solid, check if your sheaves need to be replaced. Check all your cotter pins/rings etc. You might as well get this all covered while you can.

DW

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b1ce23b3127cce9b043565af3d0000004010" border=0>

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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 14:18:46

FRANK!! Your killing us here... <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> PLEASE don't go up the mast using a single halyard, and PLEASE PLEASE don't use somebody else's kid to do it! A C-25 mast can't be that difficult to drop if you have some helping hands. If you need, ask this forum for help on how to do it safely. (I haven't done it on our C-25, but people do trailer-sail these things.)

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 19:41:45

Frank,

I whole heartedly agree with Dave Bristle. These are trailer sailors, for crying out loud!<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> Just lower the mast, and do the job right at a safe, leasurely pace.

That sheet metal divider plate between the port and starboard masthead sheaves is thin enough to seriously chafe or even cut through a rope halyard that's both out of position and heavily loaded. If your halyards are tangled up, that's no time to be betting anyone's life on either one of them.

The times I've stepped and unstepped both tall and standard C-25 masts, I've done it with a total of three people. The third person just provided an extra pair of eyes, and a comfortable safety margin. Two people could do it easily. One very able-bodied person with experience and a bit of clever rigging could do it alone under ideal conditions.

And as was suggested, carefully inspect the entire mast assembly while it's down, and fix anything that looks the slightest bit questionable. Good luck and play it safe!<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

-- Leon Sisson

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 06/26/2002 : 09:26:18

Hi Frank,

Believe the "take the mast down" advice. It's simpler and safer than sending someone aloft at this point.

When the mast is down, be prepared to find that one or or even all of the sheeves are damaged. The plastic is exposed to pretty much direct sunlight all the time. I'd have four new sheeves ready to replace - plus two new clevis pins (stock item was 3/16" X 2"). The reason for the new clevis pins is that the old ones are probably bent from use over the years - mine were.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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