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Douglas
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Initially Posted - 06/25/2002 : 11:51:15

Do you fish ><((((@> or do any crabing from your boat. Just wondering how many on the board use there boat to go fishing, or trail a line when sailing. I love to crab when Im out for a week of overnights. In Puget Sound I find the best bait is a pink squid with a six inch flasher. I use some surgical tube as a shock absorber. Salmon seem to go for it just fine. Crabing is another thinh though. I use one cage trap for setting out away from the boat. I use a ring net for dropping over the side and I use a bait cage with nylon lasso's for the fishing pole. Salmon remnants for bait or chicken backs if I cant get salmon. How do you do it??? any good ideas I can try out.

Doug&Ruth
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 12:34:52

Hi Doug,
I haven't tried the fishing thing while sailing or motoring. The little research I've done suggests a trolling speed of about 1 to 1.5 knots and at idle in gear I'm still doing 2+.

The crabbing, on the other hand, has been very successful. We use chicken wings in a bait cage and have a ring trap and a collapsible house shaped pot. At McMicken Island we were pulling up 6.5" and 7" rock crabs pretty consistently. Up near Camano, we had the pot down for 1 hour and pulled up 15 dungeness (only three keepers though). Once I grabbed some "misc. seafood" from the grocery for bait (mackerel, I think/very oily fish) and when I pulled the pot up, I had two dogfish (one 30", the other 42") with heads firmly stuck in the pot, so I went back to the chicken wings. One time I ran out of chicken wings, so I used the absorbant pad in the bottom of the styrofoam. In the morning I had one large rock crab in the pot.

In the South Sound, everyone I talk to says I won't catch a legal dungeness, they just aren't there. So far that seems to be true. A lot of 3 and 4" dungeness but no keepers. I guess I haven't figured out where they're hiding yet.

Last summer we were pulling up enough crabs that my wife began to groan, "Not crab again". Maybe I overdid it.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 12:42:48

I always include my fishing pole and tackle box as standard gear on board. Also have a bait bucket and cast net. Recently I added rod holders to the stern pulpit seat. As I was headed to the Bonnie Raitt concert recently I threw the line out and after five minutes of trolling I caught something. Was hoping for a big redfish but it turned out to be a ladyfish. Still a lot of fun to catch. They jump quite a bit.

Once when I was gunkholing on Desi, my old C-22, in Ft. George R. I was reading by flashlight because the battery went dead and didn't have any lights. Everything was so quiet that I could hear bait going by outside. So I got up in the dark and (stark naked as nobody else was around and I didn't want to get my cloths wet) began casting the net for some of the finger mullets. After getting a few in the bait bucket I put one on the hook and tossed it out. Went back to my book with the flash light and just before I fell asleep I heard the reel go ZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... I fought that thing for fifteen minutes. Finally he broke my line. I just know it was a huge Black Drum that got away. :-(

Anyhow, nothing better than fresh grilled fish with butter & garlic while it is still wiggling.

Safe voyages,
Ben, FL s/v Chick-a-pea C250wk

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 15:35:53

I almost always troll a full-sink Rapalla while sailing/motoring. My favorite catch is a Yellowtail -- great to catch and barbeque. Calico bass aren't as big, but excellent on the grill. Baracuda are fun to catch, but not as good tasting. Trolling at 4 - 6 knots seems to work fine.

During late summer (Aug/Sept), especially during big El Nino years which brings up warmer water than usual, some people catch Tuna and/or Dorado (otherwise known as Mahi-Mahi in Hawaii or Dolphinfish on the East Coast). I hope to be as lucky some day.

I also keep a spinning rod handy, always at the ready for tossing a Krocodile lure at passing small kelp paddies which often hold bait fish (and the larger fish which eat them). I also use this set-up to jig for Halibut (yum!!!) while at anchor.

Lately, at anchor I've been doing more bait fishing with lighter rigs, going after whatever small fish will bite. I think this method allows fewer barbeque-type fish, but leads to many more catches overall -- very important when trying to overcome the short attention span of my young daughter as she learns to fish.

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Fair winds and tight lines...

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 18:40:48

Hi Richard,

I never get tired of seeing photos of your little girl on your boat ... they always make me smile. Thanks for posting them, and please keep it up!

I have two blonde daughters who are now 13 and 18 ... your photos really bring back some great memories of their youngers years. Except for being married to their mother <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>, I'd love to return to those days!

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 19:15:45

Buzz:

Thank you. Never in my wildest imagination did I ever envision I would turn into what I have now become...a boastful parent showing off pictures of his kids.

Here's two more of Sarah:

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and one of Mary:

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Fair winds, tight lines and clean diapers

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 19:27:43

Douglas and John:

How do you store your traps/ring nets onboard?

I have used my ringnet to catch a few lobsters (the spiny type, not the Maine type) during the season which starts here the last Saturday in September. But storing it onboard is difficult as it takes up so much room.

I have many a fond memory during my youth of catching Dungeness crab in Willipa Bay (near Long Beach, WA), Nehalem Bay and Tillamook Bay (OR). We would make big driftwood fires and cook our catch right on the beach as we waited between ring sets.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 21:12:26

I store the ring net in my split back stay. Catalina designed it for just that reason didnt they. I store the pot on the cabin top aft of the boom vang with bungee cords and the fishing pole goes in the aft berth. Ill have to take some pictures when Im out next.

Doug&Ruth
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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 06/26/2002 : 11:36:55

Douglas: I'm no fisherman, but I have picked up a few Coho while trailing a flashtail on the surface, just 50-75' back. They are surface feeders, often. I've had them hit at 6+knots. Be careful: I caught one seagull like this, too! aargh....weird!

Kept the pole in a homemade PVC pole holder clamped to the stern rail.

Gary on Encore! #685

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 06/26/2002 : 12:36:39

If I'm just moving a short distance to drop 'em at a new location or anchored and'll use 'em again later in the day, I just tie 'em off to the stern pulpit. If I'm sailing off to the next interesting anchorage, I put 'em in the hatch under the quarterberth. I don't keep anything else there and it's a nice big flat part of the hull.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 06/26/2002 : 13:20:21

At the marina on the Texas coast where the "Big Cat" slips, we have large schools of black drum come in every day. I just throw a free-lined peeled shrimp out from the rear deck and catch fish 20" - 24" long of the finest eating kind (but a bear to fillet) <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> (If they are over 30" you have to release them).
Derek

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tinob
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Response Posted - 06/27/2002 : 11:48:03

Hi Derek,

The over 30" throw back rule raises questions...Is it because fish that size are dreeders ?

Val

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tinob
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Response Posted - 06/27/2002 : 12:04:18

Mornin Doug,

I have two weekfish rods mounted in adjustable holders on each of the stern rails quarters. Just leave them there...order of the day is motor out the river set the bucktails or weedless spoons and then the sails. If the boat speed reaches hull limit the fish of the day is blue fish, slower speeds (and the lures run deeper) fluke or bass of weekfish might happen...emphasis MIGHT <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
I set several crab traps and mark them as waypoints. Check them daily working that regimin somehow into the sailing schedule. Great man overboard drill ( picking the buoys on the run ) Though likely as not the rudder does the job should I miss the mark. Here the crab is blueclaw,(yeah) or spider(boo)...Recently came up with a dungeness( don't even know how to spell them) what a surprise. Bait for the traps is the eviscerated fish remains but the ideas herein suggested are well taken should there be a shortage of the usual bait fare.
Great thread, reminded me of the time the bluefish bit back and the blood all over the cockpit was mine...but that's another yarn.

Val on "CALISTA" # 3936
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Patchogue, N.Y.

Val Bisagni

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 06/27/2002 : 18:22:38

Val - you are correct. The black drum actually grow huge - I had a 60 lb scale and one broke it! (Actually - the bigger they are the worse the eating)
We have a 14" - 30" keeper "window" for black drum, and 20" - 28" for redfish (correctly called red drum) - and our Parks & Wildlife folks are very adamant about the limits!
We also catch sizable speckled trout in the marina (it's wonderful - you don't even have to treck out into the Gulf of Mexico!)
Derek

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 06/27/2002 : 18:38:17

What's a dreeder?

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
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tinob
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Response Posted - 06/29/2002 : 08:07:49

Geez John, I thought everyone knew that a DREEDER is a breeder typed by a fat fingered shaky old timer. It surprised me to see that one too. Thanks for not mentioning the other bloops<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Val on "CALISTA" #3936
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