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Scooter
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Initially Posted - 01/04/2007 : 12:12:34

I have an 89 wing. I need to re-bed the lifeline stanchion just forward of the v-birth bulkhead on the port side. If you're looking forward topside, it's the first stanchion aft of the pulpit on the port side. Underneath there is no way to reach the nuts. It looks like I will have to remove the bulkhead and "maybe" get in there. That's "IF" there is access???

The only other way I see is to cut a hole in the bottom of the overhead just inboard of the gap between the overhead and outboard bulkhead. This could be done with really seeing the hole much.

Any experiences out there? Anybody with real skinny fingers?

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This shows the stanchion outside the hatch.

This shows the underside.

Notice the drip.

Scooter
C25 '89 SR/WK #5878 "Square Knot"
Vandemere NC.

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Kip C
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Response Posted - 01/04/2007 : 15:42:54

No experience, but a hole saw and inspection plate are what come to mind.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/04/2007 : 21:25:07

I will stare at mine this weekend.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 : 09:56:04

"...a hole saw and inspection plate are what come to mind."

Yep, or custom fitted decorative teak trim over whatever size hole you have to cut in the headliner to get access to the bolts. Maybe a teak mounting base for a nice new lighting fixture? With a custom cover, your hole size, shape, and location aren't limited by the selection of off the shelf patches, such as Beckson plates. (And it doesn't have to look so much like an after thought.)

And shame on Catalina for making fasteners inaccessable. That's the sort of cosmetic construction shortcut I'd expect from Hunter.

-- Leon Sisson

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 : 10:08:22

I realize that this might be blasphemy and is probably not the "Seaman-like" way to do things but......

Exactly what is wrong simply using a good quality, waterproof caulk around the base of the the deck fittings? Is it simply a matter of appearance or is there some structural engineering reason? If you keep water from getting in the boat and into the core, what's the difference?

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Scooter
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 : 13:12:08

By removing the stanchion you can check the deck core and clean/dry it out and re-do the holes so, if water does get in again, it won't get to the core.

Also it WILL be an appearance issue.

Also I don't think a simple "caulk-over" does a lasting job. Too prone to leaking. That would mean doing it over and over again.

I like to leave a boat better than I find it. I'm not sure how long I will have this boat (may move up??) so I also like to do things once if possible.

my 2 cents but whatever floats your boat.

These are good problems to have.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 : 14:28:01

Is it possible that Catalina imbedded a threaded plate or something similar in the deck? If so, then maybe you just need to remove the bolts from the stanchion bases.

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dblitz
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 : 15:19:39

I'm with Leon, because stanchions do require rebedding and Catalina is not the kind of outfit to ignore that. Either that or take the light off and see is they covered the hole with the light.

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Scooter
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Response Posted - 01/06/2007 : 07:58:29

One bolt did come out without having to reach the nuts. Maybe there is an imbedded plate? Thought about that but thought maybe the nut was just stuck. I will take the light down too and look if I can.

Thanks.

If the bolts come out and I don't hear the nuts drop then maybe you are right.

Let you know. That's the first order of business today.

Eastern NC and it's sunny and going to be 72 degrees. Gotta love January!

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Scooter
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Response Posted - 01/06/2007 : 11:58:39

Well the outboard bolts came out fine but the inboard ones just turn. Looks like I have to get in there some how?

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 01/07/2007 : 21:42:03

I also have an 89 wing (tall) so I have a vested interest in this problem.
I like the idea of removing the light fixture first and seeing if maybe that is how Catalina wanted us to service the stanchions.
One could email Catalina and ask their opinion on this, too.
My other thought was to look at the bases to the other stanchions and see if they are accessible, then how they are secured.
My boat is down in the slip 2 hours away so can't just drop by and look any old day.
Don't cut until there is no other alternative. Then make it look good by using the Beckson (?) plates on both sides. If one is going to be a problem then all of them will eventually need the same treatment.
....and since mine is an 89 I should be looking, too

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/08/2007 : 05:42:10

The light has nothing to do with it. I moved mine to the bulkhead.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 01/13/2007 : 12:55:06

My boat doesn't have a light there.
That must have been an option.
My stancions have to be rebedded too. Make sure you all develop a good procedure on your boats and then report back

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Kip C
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Response Posted - 01/13/2007 : 14:43:16

Scooter,
This might be a little late.
But, try fishing a stiff wire thru the outboard holes to locate where the stanchion is in the v berth. That Is, if there's enough of a gap between the liner and hull.

Edited by - Kip C on 01/13/2007 14:46:46

bgkast
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Response Posted - 01/14/2007 : 15:52:44

If you do have to cut why not do it under the light?

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Scooter
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Response Posted - 01/15/2007 : 11:01:25

2 Things;

1. I have to go out of the country fo rthe next 2 weeks so this re-bed will have to wait until I get back.

2. The stanchion is not directly above the light. If you look at my pics you will notice the overhead "lip" is slightly wider just forward of the v-berth bulkhead. That's where the stanchion is. Even if I cut a large enough hole right above the light I am nbot confident I could reach the nuts.

I talked with Catalina Direct Tech support and he doubted very strongly that there is a threaded plate on the underside. That would support what I saw when the 2 inboard bolts just turned.

I will likely cut an access panel in wide part of the overhead lip. I really don't want to take the bulkhead out just to find out there is no access. Even so I'm not sure I could reach them.

Let you all know what I find when I get back. I'll try to remember to take some pics.

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bgkast
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Response Posted - 01/15/2007 : 21:53:42

For what it is worth I took a look at the stanchion mounting bolts on my 85 today and they are held in place with standard nuts and washers. They are all accessible on the 85 however.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/16/2007 : 06:28:13

That was nice of you to check that out on your 85. The 89 has completely different deck and headliner. An 89 has stanchions in line with the toe rail rather than inside it. You can see photos of an 82 and an 89 on my pages. From the deck seam up an 89 is a very different boat.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/16/2007 : 07:41:37

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RCarie
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Response Posted - 01/16/2007 : 08:29:43

Scooter,
I was on my 89, #5947 yesterday and recognized that the area on the overhead that protrudes out, just aft of your light, is just below the lifeline stanchion mounting hardware. I didn't have any trouble accessing the hardware with my fingers. Maybe you need to trim the overhead liner, just a bit, to gain better access. Good luck. I had to rebed the port aft stachion last year. I found that mounting hardware in the galley overhead cabinet. It's a two person job.
Randy

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Response Posted - 01/16/2007 : 17:48:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Exactly what is wrong simply using a good quality, waterproof caulk around the base of the the deck fittings? Is it simply a matter of appearance or is there some structural engineering reason? If you keep water from getting in the boat and into the core, what's the difference?
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John: As soon as the sun shrinks the sealer just a little, the seal is lost around the edge of the fitting. Also, water likes to sneak down around the bolts.

By putting the sealer under the fitting, barely hand tightening, letting it cure for two days, and then cranking down the fasteners, you get a pressurized gasket under the fitting--the best possible seal. But tighten only the nuts from below (holding the bolts stationary from above) so the seal is not broken around them.

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Response Posted - 01/16/2007 : 21:29:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RCarie
 Scooter,
I was on my 89, #5947 yesterday Randy
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4 newer than mine... 5943

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 01/17/2007 : 23:06:33

....and 3 newer than mine

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 01/18/2007 : 05:26:53

I do not have enough fingers and toes to count back to how much newer than mine. Now you guys have me a bit concerned. Maybe if I forget this topic...I won't have a problem for years to come. My stanchions hold up the lifelines fine...they must be okay.

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