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StSimon
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Initially Posted - 01/05/2007 :  00:41:02  Show Profile
Anyone out there sail with the top up? What about your Boom Vang or Kicker? Is there any way to enjoy the top raised and still maintain boom control?

I've got my compromise but an curious what others do.

Thanks,

Andy
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 :  10:32:41  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
I've used my pop top twice in the 17 years I've owned my boat. One of those was to wee how it worked.
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Renzo
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 :  12:07:59  Show Profile
I think the Pop-Top was mostly designed and intended for use in dock. If I remember correctly the manufacture advises, in their manual, against sailing with the Pop-Top up in anything but the mildest (drifters) of wind and wave conditions.
I think that the Pop-Top is a unique item on the C-25 that extends the comfort and usefulness of this small boat. I use my Pop-Top frequently on overnight trips but only in dock or at anchor in protected waters.
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 :  13:18:26  Show Profile
I have raised mine while motoring on blistering, windless summer days, so we could go below and not roast. I think I also raised it once while sailing a long downwind leg (as in many hours) on a hot and very light wind day. Like Renzo (I love the "navigo ergo sum" -- I hope you didn't have to climb in a stove to come up with that), it's best used to make the cabin more liveable at dock/mooring/anchor. At 6'3", I enjoy that extra headroom.

Brooke
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Renzo
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 :  15:06:20  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I love the "navigo ergo sum" -- I hope you didn't have to climb in a stove to come up with that<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Glad you like it Brooke but I don't get the stove reference.
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 :  17:11:42  Show Profile
Descartes had his philosophical revelation in a "poele," which can be translated either a "stove-heated room" or the stove itself. My philosophy professor insisted old Rene climbed in the stove to ponder whether he existed or not. It certainly makes for a better story that way.

Brooke
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Renzo
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 :  18:02:17  Show Profile
Thanks for the info Brooke. I knew about Archimedes and the bath tub but I had never heard the story about old Rene and the and the stove. These guys always seem to find there inspiration in the oddest places, (of course then, there's always Martin Luther)Personaly I got my inspiration to paraphrase Descarte while saling on a harvest moon lit lake after a particularly bitchy day at work.
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Steve Siefken
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Response Posted - 01/05/2007 :  22:00:19  Show Profile
Maybe I am missing something, but how can you sail using a boom vang /kicker while the pop top is up? I thought one precluded the other?
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djn
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Response Posted - 01/06/2007 :  09:05:38  Show Profile
Hi Steve, I think that was the origanal question. If you sail with the pop top up, then you have to disconnect the vang and kicker and you then loose some sail controls. The way I see it, if I need the vang, then I sure don't want the top up. If I am in a mood for the top to be up, the winds will be low enough not to use the vang. That being said, I only pop the top when I am working on the boat, just to be able to stand up straight in more places then in front of the cabin ladder. As far as the philosophy is concerned, I follow the Poe school of thought.......good drugs! :&gt;)
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 01/06/2007 :  13:15:25  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
I would hate to lose any sail controls in any situation, and I definately would not sail with the pop top up under any conditions. That being said, if conditions were such that "drifting" was the order of the day, I guess opening the pop top on a hot day would be useful for those who need to go into the cabin. If it's that hot though, I'm not sure I'd want to expend the energy removing and reattaching the boom kicker/rigid vang. An all-rope vang would be much easier since all one has to do is loosen it and move it aside.
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DaveR
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Response Posted - 01/07/2007 :  10:41:34  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
I've sailed with the pop top up several times, not a problem in lighter winds and adds a bit of room when there's several folks on board.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/07/2007 :  11:20:05  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Leave the main on the boom, sail with genny only.
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