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glivs
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Initially Posted - 01/19/2007 : 18:17:55

Leon, I recall a thread in which you posted a photo of a how you combined clutches and cam cleats to lead lines aft to the cockpit. Try as I may, I have not been able to relocate that thread in the archives. Would you still have reference to it? Thanks.

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
"Great Escape" 1989 C-25 SR/WK #5972

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/20/2007 : 09:48:06

pardon me for dipping,
I used Spinlock XAS triples and clam cleats on my 82 and was very happy. The clams take less room and are very easy to use for lines that you trim rather than set.

I also used Harken stacked doubles for the deck organizers and was very pleased.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 01/20/2007 : 20:04:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gerry & Leslie
 Leon, I recall a thread in which you posted a photo of a how you combined clutches and cam cleats to lead lines aft to the cockpit. Try as I may, I have not been able to relocate that thread in the archives. Would you still have reference to it? Thanks.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Gerry & Leslie,

Is this what you're refering to

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The rest of my installation is similar to Frank's photos. I used internal halyards, Schaefer style exit plates(#34-46?), the retrofit mast base plate from Catalina Yachts equipped with various size Harken and Ronstan bullet blocks, Harken stacked triple deck organizers(#273?), and the two-level Harken micro cam cleat and Spinlock XAS triple clutch arrangement in the photo above. The wooden 'bridge' is 1" teak. Let me know if you need more detailed info.

-- Leon Sisson

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glivs
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Response Posted - 01/22/2007 : 04:47:20

Thanks Frank, Leon...and yes that was the photo I was looking for. If I could bother you once more, however, two questions. What lines are led to what in that photo? And, it appears the cam cleats are not oriented perpendicular to the line direction. Is that just an illusion???

Frank, I've visited your web site several times; your photos are a great resource and by chance I was able to track your ideas on leading lines aft in the archive threads.

Back to the planning board...

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 01/22/2007 : 09:56:48

Gerry & Leslie,

The cam cleats and clutches are aligned parallel to the handrail and pop-top edge, within a degree or two of the lines. The cam cleats are mounted in a diagonal pattern to keep the collective group footprint narrow, while providing a clear lead for each of the tails. Note the style fairlead used allows operating the cleats from within a wide arc of cockpit positions.

All lines shown are mainsail controls. From port to stbd, the top row is boom vang, downhaul (luff tension), and boom topping lift. The bottom row is second reef, first reef, and main halyard.

The clutches are far enough fwd of the cockpit to leave space for a winch. The teak cam cleat platform is far enough fwd of the clutches to provide clearance for fingers with the handles fully open.

-- Leon Sisson

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 01/22/2007 : 17:57:57

Gerry.

I know the Capri is a little different in it's set up, but these drawings might be of some assistance to you or possible give you some ideas for your boat:

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 01/23/2007 : 08:00:27

WOW - those are some useful diagrams - Thanks!!!

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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/23/2007 : 08:54:08

Leon: As usual, your arrangement is about as cool as it gets!

Rick: On your diagram, I see clam cleats on wedges for the halyards coming off the winches, but are those clutches forward of the halyard winches, with the halyards running through them?

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 01/23/2007 : 09:12:09

Dave,
There were no clutches originally on a Capri. Clam cleats are what you are seeing in both locations.
That being said, I replaced the Clam cleat forward of the winch with a spinlock XAS clutch, which you can see in the lower right corner of this picture.

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Response Posted - 01/23/2007 : 14:12:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by existentialsailor
 There were no clutches originally on a Capri. Clam cleats are what you are seeing in both locations.
That being said, I replaced the Clam cleat forward of the winch with a spinlock XAS clutch...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
A clutch makes sense. A clam cleat in that position seems a little strange to me. Must've worked, tho...

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 01/23/2007 : 14:32:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle

A clutch makes sense. A clam cleat in that position seems a little strange to me. Must've worked, tho...
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It didn't really work, especially when you were trying to lower a sail. You had to hold the halyard out of the clam cleat with your foot and "brake" the halyard while you flaked or rolled the main. For the jib, it was an incredible nuisance if you were alone and changing a sail. I would stick a short piece of line in the cleat to keep the halyard from catching in it, hence the reason I switched to clutches on both sides. With the way the clutches work, I can lower the sails in a controlled manner.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 01/23/2007 : 16:42:33

how do clutches work?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/23/2007 : 18:15:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by existentialsailor
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle

A clutch makes sense. A clam cleat in that position seems a little strange to me. Must've worked, tho...
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It didn't really work, especially when you were trying to lower a sail...
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That's the problem with clams... Lines are always trying to find their way into them and catching.

John: A rope clutch has a lever on top that, when pulled up, allows the line to run completely freely both ways while still "captured" in the clutch. When snapped down, the line can be pulled one way (to tension a halyard, for example) but is locked against moving the other way--somewhat like a cam cleat. The primary difference from a cam cleat is that extreme tension on the line doesn't make it extremely difficult to release it. On the other hand, if don't want the line to be permanently captured (a sheet, for example), a cam with no fairlead on top is better.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 01/24/2007 : 05:39:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle

John: A rope clutch has a lever on top that, when pulled up, allows the line to run completely freely both ways while still "captured" in the clutch. When snapped down, the line can be pulled one way (to tension a halyard, for example) but is locked against moving the other way--somewhat like a cam cleat. The primary difference from a cam cleat is that extreme tension on the line doesn't make it extremely difficult to release it. On the other hand, if don't want the line to be permanently captured (a sheet, for example), a cam with no fairlead on top is better.
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With XAS clutches, the amount of tension on the line is adjustable so you can have a controlled release. Set the tension so you have to pull a sail down and when not pulling it doesn't fall down on you. Very nice when changing the foresail single handed IMO.

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glivs
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Response Posted - 01/25/2007 : 08:51:13

Thanks all....will have to wait until a bit warmer to get back to the boat (-7F right now) but come spring this is a high priority project

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