Association Forum - Chicago -> Rochester

Assn Members Area · Join

Home.

Association Forum

Ships Store

Cruising

Racing

Technical Tips

Photo Gallery - New

Boat Search - Updated

Manuals & Brochures

Swap Meet

Links

Officer Flag Line & Staff

Bylaws & Constitution

Members Area

Join the Association

Notice:
The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.

Association Forum

Username:	Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

All Forums

Catalina/Capri 25/250 Sailor's Forums

Catalina 25 Specific Forum

Chicago -> Rochester

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Author

Topic

haley
1st Mate

Member Avatar

USA
59 Posts

Initially Posted - 02/20/2007 : 15:09:24

Okay, so there is a beautiful '89 C25 listed in the swap meet. It is located in Chicago IL (Lake Michigan), I am located in Rochester NY (Lake Ontario). The obvious strategy would be to hire a reputable hauling firm and have it delivered.

But it is February and I am dreaming a bit in acquiring such a boat (hence this is not cluttering up the gentleman's For Sale thread) so might as well dream a bit about delivery.

For a water borne delivery what would be the best route, issues or warnings...

Do I cut across Georgian Bay and take the canal or hit all four Great Lakes?

----------------
John
Precision 18
Rochester NY

Edited by - on

John Russell
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
3444 Posts

Response Posted - 02/20/2007 : 16:57:59

Yep, those be the options. For what it's worth, I looked into shipping the same boat a while ago. That's what kept me from pursuing it further. The best estimate I got for shipping from Chicago to Cleveland was $1400. That made it less of a bargain. Since I'm not experienced enough to sail it back, that wasn't an option for me.

Edited by - on

Champipple
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
6855 Posts

Response Posted - 02/20/2007 : 18:40:58

I can cut a number of days off that sail - my 78 is listed in the swap meet section and the boat is in Cleveland. Even a newbie could hug the coast the take it through the canal etc over a number of weekends.

Edited by - Champipple on 02/27/2007 19:23:45

Dave Bristle
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
10005 Posts

Response Posted - 02/20/2007 : 22:10:00

Georgian Bay to where? Is there a connection to L. Ontario

You could cut some 2/3's of the sail and perhaps reduce the shipping expense by having her shipped to someplace like Toledo, hang around Cleveland for Nationals (Duane and Dennis can be your expert crew); then sail to Buffalo, drop the mast, and take the canal.

Edited by - on

haley
1st Mate

Members Avatar

USA
59 Posts

Response Posted - 02/21/2007 : 07:18:28

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yes, the Trent-Severn Waterway...
http://www.ftsw.com/index.htm

John

Edited by - on

Dave Bristle
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
10005 Posts

Response Posted - 02/21/2007 : 08:29:42

Wow--quite a trip! I gather you're retired...

Edited by - on

ilnadi
Captain

Members Avatar

452 Posts

Response Posted - 02/21/2007 : 08:45:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by haley
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Georgian Bay to where? Is there a connection to L. Ontario

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yes, the Trent-Severn Waterway...
http://www.ftsw.com/index.htm

John
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">45 locks

. Does the Panama Canal have that many?

Edited by - on

haley
1st Mate

Members Avatar

USA
59 Posts

Response Posted - 02/21/2007 : 09:32:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Wow--quite a trip! I gather you're retired...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

No, a few years before that. I do work at a University though, and although I work 12 months summers are a bit flexible. But let me emphasize the dreamy nature of this post. I am hoping to glean out a bit of general knowledge on Great Lake sailing.

Edited by - on

Champipple
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
6855 Posts

Response Posted - 02/21/2007 : 10:27:59

Okay then - as for gleening I can help with a a bit of the journey - Some of the others might be able to fill in the pieces.

You'll need to make a stop at Macinac. Catch some time at Cheetahs on the river in Detroit, then cruise St. Clair to the Detroit river. Might as well check in with Customs at Pelee to say you made it to Canada and maybe even do a fishing charter one day to take a break from the sailboat.

Scoot on down and spend a night anchored off the Northern side of West sister Island - its a bird sanctuary so don't take the dinghy ashore.

Next Stop is Bass Islands, Middle and South (AKA Put In Bay) have plenty of attractions. Be sure to bring your spare liver and drinking shoes. Expect 1 or two nights here.

Hit Kelley's Island to wind down for a day - you'll get by on your regular liver here.

From there its a 3 hour sail to Cedar Point.

5 hours to Lorain

3 or four hours to Cleveland - which is where you'd start if you purchased a boat in Cleveland

Pretty much nothing from there to Buffalo except a restaurant or two ...

Edited by - on

Alan Clark
Captain

Members Avatar

406 Posts

Response Posted - 02/24/2007 : 09:52:25

What a great way to get Not only some Great sailing time, But also expierence and also seat trial the boat! The journey could be done in sections/weeks/weekends and as dave said you could plan to be in Cleveland for the Nationals

. The Erie Yact Club is also a Nice destination (Erie PA) than sail over to Port Colborne to get the Waterway. As the wind is predominately west to east you would be on a broad reach or downwind run on lake erie until you turn north to Port Colborn. You could also ask for crew on this site for legs of the trip

.Having previously lived in Rochester and sailed on Lake Erie for a few years, this would be a great trip for anyone! Best wishes, keep us informed.

Edited by - Alan Clark on 02/24/2007 09:53:10

Jmurfy
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
176 Posts

Response Posted - 02/24/2007 : 14:27:08

As far as sailing that boat from Chicago, you cannot depend on winds from the west. Quite often we get winds from the northeaset which of course means wind blowing over 300 miles of open water that turns relatively shallow at the south end of Lake Michigan. 150-180 feet down to 30 feet a mile from shore. The waves can be brutal. Also, to cut across Lake Michigan from Chicago your looking at a 14 hour sail just to get over to the other side of the lake. Unless you have alot of free time your better off having the boat shipped if its economicaly feasible.

Edited by - on

jimfj
1st Mate

Members Avatar

31 Posts

Response Posted - 02/26/2007 : 18:16:29

Try USHIP.COM I just recently shipped a C-25 from bacially Green Bay WI to Kansas City for $795.00. I couldn't rent a truck and take the time for that kind of money. Uship is like ebay, your shipment is bid on and you decide who to use. I found it outstanding. Email me if you would like the gentleman I used. Basically you find the going rate at about $1.00 per loaded mile.
jhieb@everestkc.net

Edited by - on

roberoo
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
182 Posts

Response Posted - 02/26/2007 : 20:32:04

John,

I amin Buffalo. I did what you are thinking of doing 4 years ago. I bought the boat in Huron Ohio.

We sailed over to cedar point for a shake down cruise and then back to Huron and did a Night Cruise to Ashtabula yacht Club. That took almost two days as there was no wind at all except at night.

I left her at Ashtabula Yacht club and then came back the following weekend and sailed back to Buffalo. There is nothing between Erie PA and Buffalo. What a shan]me we are working on the waterfront issues but that has taken forever and a day.

But we had great wind and I learned all of the Idiosyncrasies of the boat.

If you have the time do it it is the best experience eve

Edited by - on

Dave Bristle
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
10005 Posts

Response Posted - 02/26/2007 : 21:39:05

Edited by - on

haley
1st Mate

Members Avatar

USA
59 Posts

Response Posted - 02/27/2007 : 10:45:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by roberoo
 John,

There is nothing between Erie PA and Buffalo.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

And by nothing to you mean it is the skeleton cost or just nothing interesting. "Any port in a storm" would prove less useful if there were a dearth of ports.

Does anyone have experience transiting between Lake Erie & Lake Ontario w/ the Welland Canal? My own experience consists of waiting at a lift bridge while a lake freighter passed by.

John

Edited by - on

roberoo
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
182 Posts

Response Posted - 02/27/2007 : 19:16:17

Just nothing of major or minor interest between Erie PA and Buffalo (Dunkirk but not sure what is there).

The Welland sounds much more interesting to me.

I did the Welland Canal from lake Ontario to lake Erie Last Fall in a friends Hunter.

It is an all day event took about 7 hours. But was pretty cool as we had lots of friends visiting along the canal as we wnt through.

P.S. Ahh yes Dave you noticed the new name...Shana and Marissa take that honor of naming the boat. I did get to name the dingy...TooT!!

Edited by - roberoo on 02/27/2007 19:20:32

haley
1st Mate

Members Avatar

USA
59 Posts

Response Posted - 02/28/2007 : 08:53:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by roberoo
 
I did the Welland Canal from lake Ontario to lake Erie Last Fall in a friends Hunter.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The ship I was watching was fairly large - can you transit the canal mast up? Marina's or tie ups on either end? I did find this handy guide: http://www.greatlakes-seaway.com/en/pdf/pleasurecraftguide_en.pdf

John

Edited by - haley on 02/28/2007 09:06:32

Champipple
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
6855 Posts

Response Posted - 03/01/2007 : 06:59:11

Not sure about the Welland canal. On the erie canal you have to pay to have it dropped (or in our case drop it ourselves).

with any of the canals - bring cash. Those small towns won't take checks and credit cards give them the 3% hit. They like you more with the green stuff.

Edited by - on

Dave Bristle
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
10005 Posts

Response Posted - 03/01/2007 : 18:16:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 ...bring cash. Those small towns won't take checks and credit cards give them the 3% hit. They like you more with the green stuff.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
A couple of years ago, I stopped into a gas station in Upstate NY where the pumps still had numbers on little spinning drums, and they wouldn't take any plastic--not even their own "company's" card. I'm not sure those pumps will work any more--the gears might not be able to make the penny drum spin fast enough!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 03/01/2007 18:17:35

Champipple
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
6855 Posts

Response Posted - 03/01/2007 : 19:46:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 ...bring cash. Those small towns won't take checks and credit cards give them the 3% hit. They like you more with the green stuff.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
A couple of years ago, I stopped into a gas station in Upstate NY where the pumps still had numbers on little spinning drums, and they wouldn't take any plastic--not even their own "company's" card. I'm not sure those pumps will work any more--the gears might not be able to make the penny drum spin fast enough!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Can always slow them down and move the decimal point and tweak the flow.

Edited by - on

roberoo
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
182 Posts

Response Posted - 03/03/2007 : 20:17:22

Sorry for the delay was traveling:

The welland can be traveled mast up. There are lift bridges along the way. Marinas at both ends.

On the lake Ontario side:
http://www.cruising.ca/guide/docs/gd-dalhou.html

On the lake Erie Side:
http://www.city.portcolborne.on.ca/visitinghere/marina/

The Welland Canal:

http://spartan.ac.brocku.ca/~ffueten/canal/well2.html

I have stayed a few times at Sugar Loaf very nice.

Port Dalhousie is a public pier pretty basic. The private marina is a little pricey. There is the port dalhousie yacht club also.

Also only 30 minutes by car between the 2 ports. Also the US Border is 30 minutes form either port.

Hope this helps some.

Also , just my opinion, the erie canal is troublesome for a sailboat. If you are doing the "Torist"thing maybe but for "Speed" and ease the welland is the best way.

Edited by - roberoo on 03/03/2007 20:19:56

cdreamonly
1st Mate

Members Avatar

27 Posts

Response Posted - 03/04/2007 : 08:20:33

Something else that you may want to look into is becoming a member of a yacht club which would allow you to take advantage of the reciprocal agreements between clubs. Most clubs are members and what they do is have a slip(s) available to members from other clubs that are free for one or two nights. They also usually make available all of the amenities (showers, etc) that they have at their club while you are there. First thought when you hear "yacht club" is $$$ check around and depending on the club the dues can be very reasonable. I sail out of Point Breeze on Lake Ontario and there is a club here that is based out of a local marina that has dues of less than $100 per year. What it does is make it very affordable to cruise to cruise the lake.

Edited by - on

Admin
Forum Admin

Members Avatar

460 Posts

Response Posted - 03/06/2007 : 23:10:24

There's a New York to Chicago thread going on over in Sailing Anarchy...

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=49751

one of the guys talks about reading yet another thread and doing it in reverse.....for you that would be reading this thread referencing the other thread and reversing the reversal??

Edited by - on

Topic

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Jump To:

Association Forum

Notice: The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.