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Steve
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Initially Posted - 07/01/2002 : 15:56:33

Can someone post the proper procedure to heave-to in a C25?

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Steve
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/01/2002 : 16:05:40

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Can someone post the proper procedure to heave-to in a C25?

Thanks,
Steve
87 WK TR
"Island Time"
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This explains it just as well as I would...

http://www.yachtworld-sailonline.com/html/heaving_to.html

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 07/02/2002 : 09:34:28

OK Steve,

What I've always done on Snickerdoodle is to tack the boat but not release the jib. As the boat comes head to wind, the jib becomes backwinded and starts to push the bow around. Bring the tiller to the leeward side of the cockpit to stop the boat......depending on how fast you're spinning due to the backwinded jib, you'll move the tiller farther faster. Control the spin until the boat is sitting more or less across the wind with the jib backwinded; the main will selftend itself. I usually ease the mainsheet to a close reach setting. Lash the tiller to leeward as soon as things have "settled down" and the boat will sort of do a "falling leaf" with first the main filling and pushing the boat toward a tack, then the backwinded jib countering the tack and pushing the bow away from the wind. You'll have between 1/2 and 1 knot of more or less sideways motion (leeway).

To continue sailing; unlash the tiller, then either release the loaded jib sheet and start sailing the direction you are heading - or pull the tiller to windward and jib the boat to sail in the opposite direction.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Steve
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Response Posted - 07/02/2002 : 12:43:12

Bill, Duane

Thanks. I took sailing lessons several years ago in a Newport 30, but I've never actually done this in my C25, and I couldn't remember which way to lash the tiller down. I suppose a tiller tamer would come in handy, too. Seems like something every good sailor should know.

Here's a question for you: Say you are in open water, with plenty of room. The water's shallow (10-12) feet, so it gets rough when the wind kicks up. The storms are fierce, but brief. Would you heave-to, or drop the sails and anchor to ride it out?

Steve.

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Response Posted - 07/02/2002 : 13:34:42

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Bill, Duane

Thanks. I took sailing lessons several years ago in a Newport 30, but I've never actually done this in my C25, and I couldn't remember which way to lash the tiller down. I suppose a tiller tamer would come in handy, too. Seems like something every good sailor should know.

Here's a question for you: Say you are in open water, with plenty of room. The water's shallow (10-12) feet, so it gets rough when the wind kicks up. The storms are fierce, but brief. Would you heave-to, or drop the sails and anchor to ride it out?

Steve.
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I would probably reef the main, drop the jib and ride it out. If its open water I wouldn't anchor especially if I know the storms are brief. I heave-to for more a comfort scenario while having lunch or, depending on the waves and wind and current(all of which will have to be negligible,) I will even do it to let the crew swim.

Here is one that is interesting. While in a flotilla, heave to with two boats. Line up the transoms put out the fenders and tie off. One boat drops the main, the other the jib. both tillers lashed to windward. and just sit and relax and enjoy the sunset!

Duane Wolff
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Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 07/02/2002 : 14:43:37

Steve,

Your question has too many variables. The storm tactics that should be used depend entirely on all the circumstances.

If it gets too rough in the shallow area, then the thing to do is sail to deeper water. Whether or not you heave to depends on whether the wind is blowing so hard that it will shred your sails. If the waves aren't too rough, then you can just anchor in the shallow water and wait out the storm.

Your question says the storm will be fierce, but brief. Unless my headsail was a storm jib, and my mainsail was deeply reefed or a storm tri-sail, I would not heave to in high winds, because of the risk of shredding the sails.

Assuming the storm is run-of-the-mill, my inclination would be to drop all sails, lash the tiller over, go below, and let the boat tend herself. If the storm becomes more violent, and the size and shape of the waves become more severe, you could start sailing again under storm sails (to regain control over the boat), or, you might run off downwind under bare poles, or, you might stream lines or a drogue (probably from the stern, to protect the transom-hung rudder on the C-25) to slow the boat's drift. You have to decide what are the right tactics for the particular storm conditions.

The best reference book I have seen on the subject is "Heavy Weather Sailing," by K. Adlard Coles. He sailed and raced small boats through many dozens of survival storms in the English Channel and the Atlantic, using every imaginable technique, and he describes all those techniques, and discusses their various pros and cons. It is probably available in some public libraries.

Storm sailing is one of those things that you have to learn from books, before you are ever in a storm at sea, because, once you are in the storm, you have to already know all the tools that can be used to get you through it.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/02/2002 : 16:49:24

"heave to with two boats. Line up the transoms put out the fenders and tie off."

Duane - if they are both C25's you may find the spreaders mashing together...<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek

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