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jimfj
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Initially Posted - 02/22/2007 : 10:49:11

Hello all,

First, I appreciate the help on the traveler car problem.

Second, When checking my water systems connections I found a large plastic sign or "plate" with the following on it. "NO.649371". Anyone have any idea what this is? The boat came from the Great lakes area and that is not my hull number. Could it be a radio call sign? Does it mean anything to me or just the previous owner.

Any help would be appreciated.

SAIL FAST LIVE SLOW!
82 C-25 fin, S/R dinette.
Joint Venture
Port of Kansas City

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/22/2007 : 12:03:35

My guess is it is a US Federal Documentation number, they have to be permantly marked below decks.

You can look up the number here. http://www.st.nmfs.gov/st1/CoastGuard/VesselByID.html

It is shown as :

TRANQUILLITE USCG Doc. No.: 649371
Vessel Service: RECREATIONAL IMO Number: *
Trade Indicator: Recreational Call Sign: *
Hull Material: FRP (FIBERGLASS) Hull Number: CTYK3273M82J
Ship Builder: * Year Built: *

Length (ft.): 25.3
Hailing Port: PORTLAND OR
Hull Number: CTYK3273M82J
Previous Vessel Owners:
GARY V FRAAZA

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 02/22/2007 : 21:48:59

Can you document a C-25 ? I thought they were to small.

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jimfj
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Response Posted - 02/22/2007 : 22:15:32

That makes sense! You can just barely make out the name on the gel coat on the stern. Must have been the first owner.
What does "documenting" a vessel mean? I haven't seen or done that before?

Thank you
Jim

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/22/2007 : 22:17:41

The actual tonnage to document doesn't equate specifically to weight. I've filled out the form and we are very very close.

Once a boat is documented, i'm not sure if it can be undocumented. There are definitely benefits for a documented vessel. Maybe someone else can chime in about the transfer of documented vessels.

Paul - make sure this show is the registry...

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/22/2007 : 22:20:56

For example, the boat lists at 5 gross and 5 net tons on the USCG website...

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mhartong
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Response Posted - 02/23/2007 : 13:08:26

Ownership changes require that the Certificate be exchanged and accompanied by an Application (CG-1258), fees, U.S. Coast Guard Bill of Sale (CG-1340) or after completing the "Sale or Transfer of Vessel" section on the reverse of the original Certificate of Documentation, and any mortgage lien.

A vessel may be deleted from documentation upon the request of the vessel owner or an authorized agent on behalf of the owner. The request must be in writing and is to include the vessel’s official number. The original Certificate of Documentation (COD) is to be returned by the owner named on the certificate. If there is an outstanding mortgage, the mortgagee (lender) should complete a Satisfaction of Mortgage and mail an original and one copy to the National Vessel Documentation Center. The vessel cannot be removed from documentation with an outstanding mortgage.

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Jmurfy
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Response Posted - 02/25/2007 : 11:05:06

Based on what I have read I think documenting anything about the boat if its not necessary would be a mistake. I dont see any benefit mentioned above but I do see added beaurocracy from the government. And thats coming from a liberal democrat! Is it just me or do other people worry about so much regulation that activities like sailing or aviation become prohibitive or non interesting to the average person?
p.s Sorry for the rant!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/25/2007 : 14:25:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jimfj
 What does "documenting" a vessel mean?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

It means you have to pay a fee to change your boat's name on the transom from "TRANQUILLITE".

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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 02/25/2007 : 20:32:54

There are some good reasons for documenting a vessel if you are going international. It solves some problems, and makes you an official U.S. vessel. Clarifies your status with officials in some country that has never heard of Arkansas. I think that most if not all of the long distance sailors have documented vessels. All that I ever knew did. That said, I can't think of any good reasons for documentation on an inland lake or river. Great Lakes, maybe? With documentation you can register the boat where you live or where the owning corporation is formed or where the boat is domiciled. This used to be, and maybe still is, why you see so many vessels documented in Wilmington, Delaware. Delaware has, or had, some really nifty corporate laws. Don't know if they still do or not.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/26/2007 : 06:44:17

This spells out some of the benefits.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/document.htm

as does this

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/faq.htm#15

If you don't want to put state registration numbers on the hull (purists maybe?) documenting the vessel is a way around this - though you don't avoid actually paying the state registration in most states.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 03/04/2007 : 09:29:35

Wow a documented C-25! Very cool! Technically, we just about squeeze in because of the volume. I hate state registration numbers on a sailboat, seems more fitting on a motor boat

sten

HOW DO I KNOW IF MY VESSEL MEASURES FIVE NET TONS?
Net tonnage is a measure of a vessel's volume. It should not be confused with the vessel's weight, which may also be expressed in tons. Most vessels more than 25 feet in length will measure five net tons or more. For information about how tonnage is determined, including a web-based interactive form that calculates tonnages, visit the U.S. Coast Guard Marine Safety Center's web site at the Marine Safety Center's Tonnage Page.

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